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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject: Not new, but an interesting read: SEX/HIV in Korea |
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/14/MN19286.DTL
Changing attitude toward sex threatens South Korea
Growing promiscuity, lack of education may lead to increase in AIDS, experts say
Bobby McGill, Chronicle Foreign Service
Friday, March 14, 2003
Seoul -- When South Korean children press their parents for an explanation on how babies are born, many moms and dads tell them they were found under a bridge, in the same way their American counterparts invoke the classic tale of the stork.
In South Korea, conservative mores discourage frank discussions about sex and some people say promiscuity and adultery are less common than in many other Asian countries.
"Most people don't have sex before marriage. It is just not accepted," said Min Ju Kim, a 24-year-old university student in Seoul, who like most single South Koreans lives at home. "My mother changes the (television) channel when people kiss."
Many health experts say society's renunciation of promiscuity is a major reason why South Korea's 50 million inhabitants have one of the lowest HIV infection rates in Asia. The United Nations HIV/AIDS agency (UNAIDS) says there were only 4,000 cases, or .01 percent of the 15-to-49 year age bracket, at the end of 2001.
But the outwardly conservative Korean culture is not always what it seems.
Some recent surveys show that 17 percent of high school students are sexually active. And since South Korea is a male-dominated society, many urban red-light areas resemble a huge "boy's club" -- bars outnumber other businesses; coin-fed punching bags and kicking machines test strength; Karaoke clubs called norae-bongs allow men to sing, drink and flirt with young women, and "barber shops" offer "massages."
Official statistics show that men account for nearly 89 percent of Koreans with HIV. Most are in their 30s, making up 35.2 percent of current cases, compared with 27.1 percent of men in their 20s. About 29 percent contracted the virus through homosexual activity.
About 94 percent of all South Koreans contracted the virus through sexual transmission, with 67 percent from heterosexual intercourse and 30 percent from homosexual intercourse, according to the National Institute of Health. Very few South Koreans contracted HIV through dirty needles.
The high percentage of men with HIV raises the seldom-discussed question of extramarital sex, which health experts say has become more prevalent in recent years.
Most men looking for affairs frequent commercial sex workers. An entrenched culture of prostitution traces its origins to the Japanese colonial period of 1910 to 1945, when prostitution was legal.
According to a recent study by the Korean Institute of Criminology, 358,000 men visit prostitutes daily at one of Korea's 5,000 illegal barber shops, steam baths, hotels, tea rooms and salons for businessmen. The study found that nearly 20 percent in the 20-to-64 age bracket purchase sex more than four times a month.
As in neighboring Japan, the sex industry in South Korea is big business, accounting for $20 billion, or 4.1 percent of the nation's total gross domestic product in 2002, just behind agriculture at 4.4 percent, according to the same report by the Korean Institute of Criminology.
Health officials say a thriving sex industry and a reluctance to talk about safe sex likely contributed to a steady increase in infections.
In 1997, the government recorded 124 new cases while in 2002, the number grew to 400, the largest increase since the first case was confirmed in 1985.
"We need to fight the sexual taboos and make it OK to talk about it," said Kwon Jun Wook, director of the National Institute of Health's Division of Communicable Disease Control.
The first known case, in 1985, was a South Korean prostitute who had sex mainly with U.S. servicemen. When other women from areas near U.S. bases tested HIV-positive in the late 1980s, they all had a specific virus now known as the "Korean strain." Health experts say a majority of AIDS cases in South Korea carry that strain.
Since then, U.S. servicemen and women are screened for HIV before they leave the United States. Once they arrive in South Korea, they are tested periodically, and any who test positive are sent home immediately.
Until 1990, health experts say every AIDS victim contracted the disease overseas or through contact with foreigners living here. But by 1993, the majority of new infections were passed from Korean to Korean.
Health officials say reluctance to use condoms, a rise in infections among homosexuals, an increase in young Koreans' sexual activities and lack of information about contraception are likely factors that could lead to a significant increase in HIV infections in future years.
"Korea needs to be shocked by someone famous with the disease, like the United States with Rock Hudson," said Kwon. "Maybe then parents will see the importance of talking about it at home."
The government now offers a Web site with AIDS information, a 24-hour hot- line and free AIDS tests. The National Institute of Health also plans to install 18,000 condom vending machines at major nightspots throughout the country and at "every possible location we can," said Kwon.
Recognizing the reluctance of parents to address AIDS, sexuality and especially contraception, a government campaign encourages middle school and high school teachers to lead candid discussions with their students about the consequences of unprotected sex.
Starting at the middle school level, students are taught about abstinence and safe sex practices. But critics say the depth of classroom discussions depends on the willingness of individual teachers to broach the subject. Students say some would rather show anatomical charts and tame videos than preside over a frank discussion.
Saets Byul Choi, a 16-year-old high school student from the industrial city of Ansan, just south of Seoul, recalled a recent video shown at her school.
"It was about a man and a woman who fall in love and get married. They get into the bed fully dressed and the screen goes black," she said. "When they return to the screen, the woman has a big stomach."
For Ji Suk Kang, a 16-year-old high school student from Seoul, the fuss over dangerous sexual practices is moot. Like many South Korean youths, she is wrapped up in her studies and has little time to worry about sexually transmitted diseases.
"I am so busy with school that I don't even have time for a boyfriend," she said.
Meanwhile, government officials talk about legalizing prostitution in an effort to control the flourishing industry. Their greatest fear is that foreign visitors who visit red-light districts could help spread the disease.
"Compared to other countries, South Korea has a low infection rate," said Kwon. "But as society becomes more liberal about sex, the rate is expected to climb." |
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Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: |
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You have to wonder if the ignorance korean culture has to its sex industry will change if the infection rate of HIV/AIDS or even STD cases rise.
It is a big don't ask-don't tell society, the women in Korea are responsible for this, if they started to be more vocal about these problems making it harder (read: embarrassing) for men to frequent these places, if not for self protection from diseases then maybe to save their 'marriages', a real change might occur
The moment there was a problem with foreign teachers having relations (lol i love that word) with there precious little korean angels, the press were involved there was a documentry, a crackdown on foreign devils, all because some concerned korean women saw a problem that needed fixing.
Its a mans world in Korea, and men here need their dirty little escapades in order to be better husbands, men.
Is it just me?, do you look at ajosshi's and see dirty old men. |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Freezer Burn wrote: |
Is it just me?, do you look at ajosshi's and see dirty old men. |
Ajussis are the most disgusting vile 'people' that I have had the displeasure of coming into contact with.
Ugh, bad day on the subway. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Chimp,
You do realize that ajoshi simply means Mr. or Sir or man of a certain age group.
Hence when you call them vile..bla bla bla...you are brushing with a pretty broad brush.  |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Bobby McGill wrote: |
Official statistics show that men account for nearly 89 percent of Koreans with HIV. Most are in their 30s, making up 35.2 percent of current cases, compared with 27.1 percent of men in their 20s. About 29 percent contracted the virus through homosexual activity. |
If men compose 90% of cases but less than a third got it from gay sex...
Not hard to figure out which group of women has the highest infection rate. Double-bag it next time you get a massage. |
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AdamH

Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Location: Bachman Turner Overdrive...Let's Rock!
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Not new, but an interesting read: SEX/HIV in Korea |
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Gollum wrote: |
But the outwardly conservative Korean culture is not always what it seems.
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No <beep>!
I loved this bit:
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coin-fed punching bags and kicking machines |
Meaning the women? |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:12 am Post subject: |
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ChimpumCallao wrote: |
Freezer Burn wrote: |
Is it just me?, do you look at ajosshi's and see dirty old men. |
Ajussis are the most disgusting vile 'people' that I have had the displeasure of coming into contact with.
Ugh, bad day on the subway. |
But ALL older Korean men are called Ajorssi. Just like ALL older Korean women are called Ajumma. To Korean people, Ajorssi means *uncle* and ajumma means *auntie*, so to speak..
I don't know.. to say that Ajorssis are the most disgusting vile people you have ever come into contact with sounds like you are saying ALL older Korean men are vile...............
homer wrote: |
Chimp,
You do realize that ajoshi simply means Mr. or Sir or man of a certain age group.
Hence when you call them vile..bla bla bla...you are brushing with a pretty broad brush. Laughing |
My point exactly, Homer.  |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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"Most people don't have sex before marriage. It is just not accepted," said Min Ju Kim, a 24-year-old university student in Seoul, who like most single South Koreans lives at home. "My mother changes the (television) channel when people kiss." |
methinks he is very immature and naive. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Hater Depot wrote: |
Bobby McGill wrote: |
Official statistics show that men account for nearly 89 percent of Koreans with HIV. Most are in their 30s, making up 35.2 percent of current cases, compared with 27.1 percent of men in their 20s. About 29 percent contracted the virus through homosexual activity. |
If men compose 90% of cases but less than a third got it from gay sex...
Not hard to figure out which group of women has the highest infection rate. Double-bag it next time you get a massage. |
Better still, bag it everytime you get lucky, massage or no...
To be honest I think some guys here accidentally date pros here without realising it...I'm fairly sure I did once...couldn't be sure why she had a "beeper" thing go off now and again, then had to leave mysteriously.  |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Ajussis are the most disgusting vile 'people' that I have had the displeasure of coming into contact with.
Ugh, bad day on the subway. |
You better watch your mouth. Or leave town. You're referring to all the men here.
As for the AIDS: suuuuuuure, it's all from het contact....Just like in the rest of the world gay men make up 75% of AIDS cases.
And there are no gay Korean men.
You lap this up.
They're lying, you fools. Korean men admitting to gay sex? We have enough of a problem admitting it, you think they don't? |
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turtlepi1

Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:31 am Post subject: |
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tzechuk wrote: |
ChimpumCallao wrote: |
Freezer Burn wrote: |
Is it just me?, do you look at ajosshi's and see dirty old men. |
Ajussis are the most disgusting vile 'people' that I have had the displeasure of coming into contact with.
Ugh, bad day on the subway. |
But ALL older Korean men are called Ajorssi. Just like ALL older Korean women are called Ajumma. To Korean people, Ajorssi means *uncle* and ajumma means *auntie*, so to speak..
I don't know.. to say that Ajorssis are the most disgusting vile people you have ever come into contact with sounds like you are saying ALL older Korean men are vile...............
homer wrote: |
Chimp,
You do realize that ajoshi simply means Mr. or Sir or man of a certain age group.
Hence when you call them vile..bla bla bla...you are brushing with a pretty broad brush. Laughing |
My point exactly, Homer.  |
On one hand true...
but on another I think you used the nuance of the language to take a swipe at Chimp....
Most Koreans draw a distinction between "ajoshi" and "AJOSHI!!!" and would know the difference between the two.
My co-teacher called herself "ajuma" (married woman) but she didn't define herself as the "AJUMA!!!" I always complained about pushing in line, etc. and when I would say "crazy old AJUMA!!!" she would know I wasn't referring to ALL married women. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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bossaco
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Location: jongro-gu
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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"Most people don't have sex before marriage. It is just not accepted," said Min Ju Kim, a 24-year-old university student in Seoul, who like most single South Koreans lives at home. "My mother changes the (television) channel when people kiss." |
not accepted but it happens... so many sex scandals had happened here... even heard of three middle school students videotaped themselves... |
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PaperTiger

Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: Ulaanbataar
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: Kinsey Report in Korea??? |
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Bobby McGill wrote:
"Official statistics show that men account for nearly 89 percent of Koreans with HIV. Most are in their 30s, making up 35.2 percent of current cases, compared with 27.1 percent of men in their 20s. About 29 percent contracted the virus through homosexual activity."
If men compose 90% of cases but less than a third got it from gay sex...
...then it stands to reason that the other two thirds are simply LYING about where they got it. I seriously doubt that HIV is being spread that quickly through prostitution. The fact that condoms enjoy an unheard of unpopularity here probably isn't helping these closet cases/secretly gay husbands and boyfriends...and probably accounts for the entire 90%. Ever hear someone say "there are no gays in Korea?" I seriously doubt that anyone here would tell the truth on an anonymous survey if it meant changing these fairy tales about Korean society that Koreans tell each other and their kids. They don't teach sex ed and deny the existance of gays...it's pretty obvious what the future has in store for Korea if they don't wise up.
I seriously doubt that anyone could publish reliable statistics about any area of people's sexual practices here in Korea (or anywhere else for that matter) because the only thing people lie about more than sex is money. Assume AIDS infections are akin to an infestation of roaches (it's an allegory, not some slam against AIDS victims)...if a few see the light of day, it stands to reason that the conditions that allowed THOSE stats to arise would more than likely be an indication that the worst of the problem is simply hidden. |
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Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:21 am Post subject: |
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Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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Ajussis are the most disgusting vile 'people' that I have had the displeasure of coming into contact with.
Ugh, bad day on the subway. |
You better watch your mouth. Or leave town. You're referring to all the men here.
As for the AIDS: suuuuuuure, it's all from het contact....Just like in the rest of the world gay men make up 75% of AIDS cases.
And there are no gay Korean men.
You lap this up.
They're lying, you fools. Korean men admitting to gay sex? We have enough of a problem admitting it, you think they don't? |
Are you kidding, that statistic is decades old, Heterosexual men and women are the biggest carriers on HIV/AIDS in this decade, if only there was the same kind of education in 'normal' society as this is in the GLBT community.
http://www.avert.org/statindx.htm |
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