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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: Is this real? A Union for teachers reported in Guardian? |
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http://education.guardian.co.uk/tefl/teaching/story/0,15085,1513001,00.html
Saw this on EFL-Law's website, and put it here...
S Korea 'more hostile' for foreign staff
Teachers organise to counter poor treatment and a tarnished image, reports Liz Ford.
Friday June 24, 2005
Guardian Weekly
English-language teachers in South Korea are to set up a national union to counter a backlash against foreign workers. Last month delegates at a conference organised by Asian EFL Journal, attended by some 400 teachers, agreed to press ahead with "long overdue" plans to establish a union in order to protect teachers' rights. The union would be the first of its kind for English language teachers in the country.
An official from the ministry of labour told Learning English that any foreigners working in the country legally had the right to unionise. English teachers who work on government education programmes are already entitled to join the union for native Korean teachers, although applying can be a long process.
The move has been prompted by recent attacks on the profession in Korea. A documentary that portrayed English teachers as lazy and unqualified, broadcast on national television earlier this year, coupled with salacious comments about where to meet Korean women, discovered on the talkboards of a website specifically for English teachers - Englishspectrum.com - caused widespread consternation in the local press and sparked an online petition to keep foreigners out of the country.
This was followed in March by the high-profile arrest of two Canadian teachers who were jailed and later deported following a fight outside a bar in Seoul. One of the Canadian teachers was believed to be working in the country illegally.
The Korean government has been on a mission to expel illegal foreign workers for some time. Although the justice ministry denies there is a renewed crackdown, there does seem to be a more concerted effort to clean up the ELT sector, with raids on schools and the arrest of owners and teachers.
Four Korean recruiters were recently fined up to $10,000 for employing illegal teachers. And in March, police raided 28 English language schools in the southern city of Pusan and arrested their owner for employing unqualified teachers who were working in the country on tourist visas. Some of the teachers were believed to be from Russia and Turkey who were being passed off as native English teachers.
Official figures put the number of English teachers working legally in Korea at 7,800, but the number of those working without the necessary papers is believed to be significant. The government would not speculate, but two years ago the Korea Times put the figure at close to 20,000.
An increase in the number of hagwon - privately run schools - set up in the country over the past 10 years to meet the growing demand for English language lessons has been partly blamed for the rise in illegal workers. Owners of some of these schools regularly flout labour and immigration laws, turning a blind eye to standards and employing foreigners without visas and, in some cases, with fake qualifications.
"The sector is totally unregulated, and that's the problem," says Tom Davidson, who runs the EFL-law.com website, which offers legal advice to English teachers working in Asia.
"The idea is that everyone should have a recognised Tefl certificate, but [the government] just can't get it off the ground," he says, adding: "Anyone can set up a school, any time. The owner doesn't have to know anything about teaching; they just need a licence."
Caroline Linse, an associate professor at Sookmyung Women's University in Seoul, worries that this lack of regulation could be putting young pupils at risk from teachers who might not have undergone background checks. Criminal checks are run on teachers applying to work on government teaching programmes, and some recruiting firms outside the country will investigate applicants' backgrounds, but few private schools appear to do the same.
Linse says the sector should be more demanding. "Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. People need a commitment to teach children. My concern is not a lot of people are talking about the issue."
While moves to clean up the industry have been largely welcomed by the EFL community, which believes it will ensure quality, it has also brought into focus the lack of rights afforded to teachers working in the country legally. The attacks on the profession do not appear to have deterred teachers from working in the country, but there are concerns that forcing schools to uphold standards could have a negative impact on them.
According to EFL-law.com, more than 20 teachers a week have serious contractual disputes with their employees, while a further 50 to 70 encounter minor problems.
"The most urgent thing is dismissal," says Davidson, who is one of the teaching union organisers. "As soon as someone is dismissed they have to leave Korea, so you can't fight for your rights."
He believes a national union for English teachers would go some way to address these problems. "It's not a pay issue. Everyone agrees that everyone who comes here is aware of what the pay is. It's just to protect their rights."
Despite the challenges, however, Davidson would still recommend working in Korea, although he advises teachers to visit the country first to assess the schools and the jobs on offer before signing a contract.
The debate comes as the Korean government tries to increase the number of native English teachers in the country. According to reports in the Korea Times, the government wants to recruit more than 900 teachers in the capital alone to boost language learning in schools. It is also keen to encourage more "English villages" (all-English activity centres), which give students full immersion teaching. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
But, if this is applied: Linse says the sector should be more demanding. "Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. People need a commitment to teach children. My concern is not a lot of people are talking about the issue."
A lot of so called teachers that are here or wish to come here for a quick buck will be in for a rude awakening.
A union, while highly unlikely to come to realisation, could have beneficial effects for teachers but would also mean the end of the road for many fly by night, mercenary "teachers" who come here for the paycheck alone.
I am all for a tighter regulation of the industry and for better rules. It would indeed clean up the scene. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. |
That's the sentence that caught my eye, too. Why does everyone need a background check? Is this common in other English-speaking countries? I taught for 20 years in the US and I've never heard of it being done. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. |
That's the sentence that caught my eye, too. Why does everyone need a background check? Is this common in other English-speaking countries? I taught for 20 years in the US and I've never heard of it being done. |
That's got to be the lousiest excuse for teachers and child-care workers to not have a more thorough screening process.
/thinks about using Google to go through the mass amount of news references signalling why background checks in the education industry should be much more thorough and broad-based in western countries, but momentarily loses focus to watch another US news channel report about the latest 30 yr old teacher to admit having an affair with a 12 yr old student and wanting to conceive the student's child.
And FWIW, although I don't know enough to talk about all states, but I do know that states like New York and Nevada require background checks of all public school employees. Missouri is doing that, plus fingerprinting, these days.
Edit- Oops. Meant to type New York as a state. Not Buffalo. 
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visviva
Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy, maybe it's been a while since you were working in the states? A few years back I had to get a background check just to do volunteer work in the general vicinity of children in Chicago. Also had to get one when I was applying to become a schoolbus driver.
Background checks are annoying, even insulting, but if I was a parent I would want them done. The ease with which any random white person can get a high-trust position here is scary. |
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goodbyekoreasale
Joined: 12 May 2005 Location: Yongsan, Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Is this real? A Union for teachers reported in Guardian |
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Derrek wrote: |
Caroline Linse, an associate professor at Sookmyung Women's University in Seoul. |
Caroline Linse is not an associate professor at Sookmyung Women's University. Try "instructor" in the TESOL programme. |
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andrew

Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Hans Blix
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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i loathe the hysteria about protecting child's rights - not that i have any hidden agendas (!!), but we're frothing at the mouth about it these days. |
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bosintang

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Is this real? A Union for teachers reported in Guardian |
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Derrek wrote: |
"The idea is that everyone should have a recognised Tefl certificate, but [the government] just can't get it off the ground," he says, adding: "Anyone can set up a school, any time. The owner doesn't have to know anything about teaching; they just need a licence."
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What do you guys think would have to change in order to get everyone teaching here to have a recognised teaching certificate, besides the obvious - throwing more money at it? Even then there's still a finite amount of teachers willing to relocate to Korea.
I'm sure it's possible, but it would involve a serious re-think about recruitment, training, and retainment. This industry is such a free-for-all dog*beep* that I don't forsee this happening anytime soon.
And really, would the change be worth it overall? Would having tefl-qualified instructors make any difference if there isn't any changes on the management side? As much as I don't see a change happening anytime soon on the teachers side, I see it happening even less on that side. |
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the saint

Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Location: not there yet...
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. |
That's the sentence that caught my eye, too. Why does everyone need a background check? Is this common in other English-speaking countries? I taught for 20 years in the US and I've never heard of it being done. |
That's probably because when you secured your first job there weren't any checks and you subsequently wouldn't have needed any having had experience and therefore demonstrably "okay". In the UK, background checks are also taken very seriously. There are also no checks done in Japan as far as I know and I bet the situation is the same in most E. Asian countries we work in. Do even public school teachers have background checks here? |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Is this real? A Union for teachers reported in Guardian |
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goodbyekoreasale wrote: |
Derrek wrote: |
Caroline Linse, an associate professor at Sookmyung Women's University in Seoul. |
Caroline Linse is not an associate professor at Sookmyung Women's University. Try "instructor" in the TESOL programme. |
Very interesting point, and it makes me wonder if someone from the TESOL program of a University might want to "scare" people into joining it, for fear that they may not have a job in the future. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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It has been a long time. I started in '74 and quit in '94. Maybe they are doing them now.
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loathe the hysteria about protecting child's rights - not that i have any hidden agendas (!!), but we're frothing at the mouth about it these days.
And get a grip, chronicpride. I was not offering an excuse. I asked if it was common in other countries.
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I'm not against criminal checks, but like Hans Blix, I think there is a hysteria about it all.
I'm wondering where all the posters from the 'G--D---It they are stopping foreigners on the streets and in the coffee shops asking for IDs' thread are. They should be delighted about the idea of background checks (he said sarcastically). |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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Anyone working with children should have the appropriate background check. |
That's the sentence that caught my eye, too. Why does everyone need a background check? Is this common in other English-speaking countries? I taught for 20 years in the US and I've never heard of it being done. |
That's surprising. Did you teach in public schools? What state? |
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goodbyekoreasale
Joined: 12 May 2005 Location: Yongsan, Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:49 am Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: |
I had her when she was the director of the Masters in TESL course at UNC-Charlotte. She knows what she is talking about but has problems conveying the info without sounding judgmental. |
From what I hear she is going to be shown the door after the TESOL administration office received a record number of student complaints about her teaching last semester. |
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