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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife and I prefer to speak Klingon 'round the domicile.

Sparkles*_*
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
Oh please, you were obviously trolling with the OP (probably in cahoots with buddy bradley as well) as evidenced by your follow-up comment:

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So, if your husband cant speak english how do you communicate? How good is your Korean??


You were just waiting for someone to give you a straight answer so you could criticize it.

(This is of course unless you really have some deeply valuable insight to offer on the subject of communication within Korean/foreign relationships. Which I HIGHLY doubt.)


I would highly doubt that Mr astroboy has deeply valuable insight about much in life...but then you never know. Simply because his posts have never demonstrated this ability, does not mean that he will not one day surprise us all. Although this is highly doubtful as well.
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Dysupes



Joined: 24 May 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal

I'm not going to defend Astroboy but the questions he posted that you've quoted as being highly offensive were just questions to me. I'm in a serious relationship with a Korean woman, will be getting married next year, and just chalked those two questions up to the same curiosity I have about other peoples situations. Not defending anyone, just saying how I took it... Very Happy
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dysupes wrote:
Corporal

I'm not going to defend Astroboy but the questions he posted that you've quoted as being highly offensive were just questions to me. I'm in a serious relationship with a Korean woman, will be getting married next year, and just chalked those two questions up to the same curiosity I have about other peoples situations. Not defending anyone, just saying how I took it... Very Happy


I can accept that. The problem is, there's a large disparity on this board between the Western men with Korean SOs and the Western women with Korean SOs. The Western guys can feel relatively comfortable about coming here and saying, "Man, my girlfriend can't speak a word of English but she's a good lay all right", and not expect any backlash. On the other hand, the Western girls are not only looked at suspiciously for even contemplating being in a relationship with a Korean man, but are particularly targeted if they indicate that the communication in their relationship might occur in a different fashion than what we were brought up to believe communication has to be. It's a double standard of course, and it's not pretty. It's just another indication of the narrowmindedness of some posters.

Good luck in your relationship, by the way, and congrats on the upcoming marriage. Any plans for children yet? Razz
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
Dysupes wrote:
Corporal

I'm not going to defend Astroboy but the questions he posted that you've quoted as being highly offensive were just questions to me. I'm in a serious relationship with a Korean woman, will be getting married next year, and just chalked those two questions up to the same curiosity I have about other peoples situations. Not defending anyone, just saying how I took it... Very Happy


I can accept that. The problem is, there's a large disparity on this board between the Western men with Korean SOs and the Western women with Korean SOs. The Western guys can feel relatively comfortable about coming here and saying, "Man, my girlfriend can't speak a word of English but she's a good lay all right", and not expect any backlash. On the other hand, the Western girls are not only looked at suspiciously for even contemplating being in a relationship with a Korean man, but are particularly targeted if they indicate that the communication in their relationship might occur in a different fashion than what we were brought up to believe communication has to be. It's a double standard of course, and it's not pretty. It's just another indication of the narrowmindedness of some posters.

Good luck in your relationship, by the way, and congrats on the upcoming marriage. Any plans for children yet? Razz


sounds to me that you are just a little insecure....
get over it and dont take the posts to heart. its not as if anyone made a personal attack on you.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

komtengi wrote:
Corporal wrote:
Dysupes wrote:
Corporal

I'm not going to defend Astroboy but the questions he posted that you've quoted as being highly offensive were just questions to me. I'm in a serious relationship with a Korean woman, will be getting married next year, and just chalked those two questions up to the same curiosity I have about other peoples situations. Not defending anyone, just saying how I took it... Very Happy


I can accept that. The problem is, there's a large disparity on this board between the Western men with Korean SOs and the Western women with Korean SOs. The Western guys can feel relatively comfortable about coming here and saying, "Man, my girlfriend can't speak a word of English but she's a good lay all right", and not expect any backlash. On the other hand, the Western girls are not only looked at suspiciously for even contemplating being in a relationship with a Korean man, but are particularly targeted if they indicate that the communication in their relationship might occur in a different fashion than what we were brought up to believe communication has to be. It's a double standard of course, and it's not pretty. It's just another indication of the narrowmindedness of some posters.

Good luck in your relationship, by the way, and congrats on the upcoming marriage. Any plans for children yet? Razz


sounds to me that you are just a little insecure....
get over it and dont take the posts to heart. its not as if anyone made a personal attack on you.

I didn't take any of this to heart (I'm not familiar with the poster called astroboyfan), but I was thinking the same thing that Corporal just posted.

It's "Nice going! She's a babe!" for white guys with Korean girls. So what if they have to rely on broken Korean/broken English? Just so long as they love each other, society seems to accept it as a bona fide match. But for white girls in relationships or marriages with Korean guys, it's "How do you two communicate? What's wrong with you, girl? Don't you understand the importance of 100%-fluent communcation in a relationship? How good is his English anyway? How much Korean have you learned? What does his mother think about you? She must hate you". Like that. And how odd (or maybe not) that a lot of the suspicion and doubt and criticism comes from other Western girls. Confused
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astroboyfan



Joined: 19 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, though it is none of any of your business, though I will try to clarify as some posters think my intentions are not genuine. The reason for this post was to show my significant other that even though we have language issues once in a while, that her English will continue to improve as will my Korean. Her English is quite good, as she is an English teacher, and picks up languages quite easily. She is just nervous that we will have problems in the future. The post was to reassure her that there are couples in Korea who have been together longer who and are not having significant problems with communication. Hate to tell you Corporal, but not all guys here in Korea are just out to "get laid."

As for my questions, So, if your husband cant speak english how do you communicate? How good is your Korean??

That was just an honest question, I would like to know if my question offended her, as it was not my intention. Glad you are the "champion" of the world, Corporal.

ps. Thanks for lowering it a step further in criticizing my spelling Rolling Eyes
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I didn't really see anything wrong with Astroboyfan's question. He wrote it politely and asked if it was offensive . I've had other worse comments/questions about my marriage to an non-English speaking Korean guy and they never apologized about it. I think Corporal and Jongnoguru are right and hit it right on the nail about the double standard....a white girl with a non-English speaking Korean guy seems to get more raised eyebrows from the expat community than vice-versa because simply it's more rare to see. And JongnoGuru was especially right that it's seems to be more girls attacking this type of relationship (expect most of the girl posters on Dave's....they are very cool!)Cool I guess it boils down to some girls' outdated thinking that a real man has to make all the effort/courting in the relationship and don't understand that I had to make a real effort to speak Korean to get to know him. When I tell some foreign women about my relationship, many can be very snotty. They say things like "oh, aren't you worried he'll control you?" Some girls look down on me and see me as the passive, non-independent woman because I've chosen to married a Korean guy. I had one girl the other day that looked at my clothes (I wear girly-girl Korean clothes) and she said "oh, does your husband make you wear those clothes?" and she chuckled Shocked But on the otherhand, I've met really cool foreign women here, and the reason why I like Dave's so much is because I get to read other female posters, like Corporal, who are in the similiar situation and they are very understanding (thanks girls!)
Anyway, I'm not really going to get detailed about my marriage communication. There was a thread about this awhile ago, and I felt a little attacked by some and got sick of defending our communication style. I'm just going to say we communicate fine and we've built a language that works just for us. We love each other and we work everyday at understanding each other...and it's fun doing that. Okay, I'll stop here before I get too cheesy Very Happy

***We'll be having our actual wedding ceremony July 24th!! It will be a traditional Korean wedding and will post the pics here after. (I'll probably look funny in the hanbok and headdress). If anyone is close to Cheongju(Tzechuk? Casey's Moon?) and wants to see it, feel free to drop by on that day!
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astroboyfan



Joined: 19 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome.. congrats PolyChronic Time Girl, glad you were not offended by my post. I am sure you guys will be happy together... only you can decide what is best for you.. not everyone else.. (especially some of the posters on here Rolling Eyes )
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hate to tell you Corporal, but not all guys here in Korea are just out to "get laid."


I never said, nor implied, that they were.

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Thanks for lowering it a step further in criticizing my spelling Rolling Eyes


You're welcome. If you had not accused ME of being ignorant a few seconds after you made a spelling mistake, I would have let it go.

Oh, and try making a post without this fellow in it. Rolling Eyes
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say Corp hit the nail on the head here.

There is a blatant double standard here about mixed couples.
Western guys with Korean women get a far better response then Western women with Korean men.

In fact, the bias vs Korean men in here is rampant. It rears up its ugly head on a regular basis and when countered by someone is simply defended as an "opinion".

All this being said, it is true that some western women can be quite judgemental about a western guy who is with a Korean woman. But, that phenomenon, while equally distasteful is not as widely spread.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCTG - DAMN! I am going to Hong Kong on 22nd Sad I would really have come if I were in the Country!!!

As for you, Corporal... I think you are very cynical. Either that or I am naive because I never saw or thought anything bad from Astroboy's original post. He just asked how we communicated. Well, I went on Arirang TV's Heart to Heart about 18 months ago to talk about ISKA (International Spouses of Korean Association) and that was one of the questions asked.. I didn't think her intention was bad.. just a straightforward question...

Not everyone is bad like you'd like to think.
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astroboyfan



Joined: 19 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
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Hate to tell you Corporal, but not all guys here in Korea are just out to "get laid."


I never said, nor implied, that they were.

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Thanks for lowering it a step further in criticizing my spelling Rolling Eyes


You're welcome. If you had not accused ME of being ignorant a few seconds after you made a spelling mistake, I would have let it go.

Oh, and try making a post without this fellow in it. Rolling Eyes


Haha, you are ridiculous. If your posts weren't full of assumptions I would complain that someone hacked your account.
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
Either that or I am naive because I never saw or thought anything bad from Astroboy's original post. .


You are indeed naive, as any reader of your posts knows. And I'm cynical as well. I don't feel either of those are necessarily bad things. What was your point again?
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporal wrote:
tzechuk wrote:
Either that or I am naive because I never saw or thought anything bad from Astroboy's original post. .


You are indeed naive, as any reader of your posts knows. And I'm cynical as well. I don't feel either of those are necessarily bad things. What was your point again?


My point? I have read many of your posts.. likewise you mine. And you know I don't get personal.. because it's not in my nature to get personal. But i think you are a real bi*ch. fullstop.
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