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sportsguy35



Joined: 27 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:59 pm    Post subject: world-wide help in Iraq Reply with quote

What would happen if countries like Germany, France, Russia and God forbid even Canada were to send troops to Iraq to help with the insurgency?? Seems like that would help take care of it faster and show the insurgents that that whole free-world truly is toward helping rebuild their country.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/03/russia.frger.ap/index.html

Putin seems to think it might work...
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sportsguy35



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, didn't really mean that the way it sounded. From the Canadian friends I have been talking to, it seems like 90% of Canada is against the war. So it seemed pretty far fetched for me to think that Canada would send troops over there. Anyways, I didnt mean anything bad by it, I just don't see it happening. The only reason I mentioned it is because so many Canadians read this board and I would like their opinion on what they think it would be like if we all teamed up, something that Bush should have tried harder to do before the war.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. I couldn't say what things would have been like if more had teamed up before the war, but as it stands now anyone going in there now would have to make up for quite a few of the nations that have pulled out. Canada has 2000 troops in Afghanistan which is their biggest deployment and our Prime Minister is weak and corrupt, tacking on extra money wherever he feels it can help him pass a vote, so I don't see much being done with the military from him.
What I do think would have helped would have been a very concrete plan on how to restructure the place from before the invasion, more than numbers of troops. I think there should have been an army of construction workers right behind them to rebuild the place in a month because the shock after an invasion is the best time to take the initiative as the people are still in a bit of shock while still willing to see what's going to happen. Iraqis complain more about electricity and water than anything else, and unemployment of course. I suppose the lack of a plan came partly from not wanting to be seen as imperialist.


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1. USA 130,000
2. United Kingdom 8,761
3. South Korea 3,600
4. Italy 3,085 -- began phased withdrawal of troops in March 2005 [2]
5. Poland 1,700
6. Ukraine 1,450 -- announced to withdraw troops by October 2005 [3]
7. Georgia 889
8. Romania 860
9. Australia 850
10. Netherlands 800 -- began phased withdrawal of troops in March 2005 [4]
11. Japan 550 -- limited to non-combat zones only
12. Denmark 496
13. Bulgaria 450 -- began phased withdrawal of troops in March 2005 [5]
14. El Salvador 380
15. Mongolia 180
16. Azerbaijan 151
17. Latvia 122
18. Lithuania 118
19. Slovakia 105
20. Czech Republic 80
21. Albania 71
22. Estonia 55
23. Macedonia 33
24. Kazakhstan 25
25. Norway 10 -- has withdrawn the 179 soldier strong force of engineers and currently has 10 staff officers deployed in Iraq [6]
26. Angola 0
27. Colombia 0
28. Dominican Republic 0 -- withdrew troops in May 2004
29. Eritrea 0
30. Ethiopia 0
31. Honduras 0 -- withdrew troops in June 2004
32. Hungary 0 -- withdrew troops in December 2004
33. Iceland 0
34. Kuwait 0
35. Micronesia 0
36. Moldova 0 -- withdrew troops in February 2005
37. Nicaragua 0 -- withdrew troops in February 2004
38. Philippines 0 -- withdrew troops in July 2004
39. Portugal 0 -- withdrew troops in March 2005
40. Rwanda 0
41. Singapore 0 -- withdrew its single amphibious transport dock deployed in the Persian Gulf in March 2005 [7]
42. Solomon Islands 0
43. Spain 0 -- withdrew troops in June 2004
44. Thailand 0 -- withdrew troops in August 2004
45. Tonga 0
46. Uganda 0
47. Uzbekistan 0

Canada does not support the invasion of Iraq and is not a Coalition member but has 31 troops in the theatre as part of an exchange program with the United States military.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: world-wide help in Iraq Reply with quote

sportsguy35 wrote:
What would happen if countries like Germany, France, Russia and God forbid even Canada were to send troops to Iraq to help with the insurgency?? Seems like that would help take care of it faster and show the insurgents that that whole free-world truly is toward helping rebuild their country.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/03/russia.frger.ap/index.html

Putin seems to think it might work...


The "insurgency" includes, among others, Iraqis who are "resisting" the U.S. occupation. This "resistence" will not go away until Iraq is free of foriegn influence. Look at what happened in Vietnam. The "communists" were supported by a very strong movement to expel all foriegners from Viet Nam. Not all of those fighting the U.S. were deologically motivate communists. The U.S. lost because of a strong nationalist movement, not an ideological communist movement.

It would take a police state presence to stamp out all resistence, and to prevent foriegn asssitance from flowing accross Iraq's borders. It would take, I believe, a long and nasty occupation that would never win world approval.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: world-wide help in Iraq Reply with quote

desultude wrote:
sportsguy35 wrote:
What would happen if countries like Germany, France, Russia and God forbid even Canada were to send troops to Iraq to help with the insurgency?? Seems like that would help take care of it faster and show the insurgents that that whole free-world truly is toward helping rebuild their country.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/03/russia.frger.ap/index.html

Putin seems to think it might work...


The "insurgency" includes, among others, Iraqis who are "resisting" the U.S. occupation. This "resistence" will not go away until Iraq is free of foriegn influence. Look at what happened in Vietnam. The "communists" were supported by a very strong movement to expel all foriegners from Viet Nam. Not all of those fighting the U.S. were deologically motivate communists. The U.S. lost because of a strong nationalist movement, not an ideological communist movement.

It would take a police state presence to stamp out all resistence, and to prevent foriegn asssitance from flowing accross Iraq's borders. It would take, I believe, a long and nasty occupation that would never win world approval.




Most of the "resistance" is fighting to conquer Iraq that is why they target Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Shias. That is why they tried to stop the elections. Their area doesn't have oil either no independence isn't an option for them cause they would be w/o any source of income.

The resistance is 20% of the Country . Almost all of the attacks are from the Sunni triangle or those who hail from it.


The "resistance" will continue for a long time but not at the level it is today. It will eventually become something akin the IRA , able to terrorize and kill but not any real miltary threat to the country.
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Gollum



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read this related story about Saudi Arabia, and notice the attached quote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161442,00.html

"Faris bin Hizam, an expert on Saudi terror groups, warned that the next few weeks would be crucial.

"We shouldn't be surprised if more clashes erupt. Clearly the Interior Ministry has information about the militants, and they will go after them," he said.

Analysts also have warned that Saudi fighters, battle-trained in Iraq would be heading back to Saudi Arabia to regroup and continue the fight.

Washington-based counterterrorism expert Evan Kohlmann also expected an upsurge in the violence.

"Kohlmann said Iraqis were fed up with foreign fighters on their soil, and "it's only a matter of time before these guys start heading back. You're talking about thousands of their nationals who are across the border in Iraq and that's an army."
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