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Draven
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
Uh, okay, note that this thread was a friendly message from an American who LIKES Canada, and it was the Canadians who hijacked it with all this "you Americans just celebrate your bloodlust" stuff. |
I'm with Mithridates. Go back and re-read the first couple of pages to see how this started. Check out shortskirt's avatar while you're at it. Classy. Then quit trying to stir it up some more. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Your predecessors were sponsoring and abetting the slavers, don't forget that. |
Ummm dont you mean the slaves? Wasnt Canada a haven for escaped slaves from the USA? Sure they came up from the South of the USA but still the USA. Dont you really mean to say that your predecessors were sponsoring and abetting slavery?
American Slavery and Britain's Rebuke of Man-Stealers: An Address Delivered in Bridgwater, England, on August 31, 1846
There were fifteen slave and thirteen free states, meaning that the MAJORITY OF USA endorsed slavery. It wasnt until the states of New Mexico and California were newly acquired that the North came into conflict with the policy of slavery.
Also slaves in Britian were actually treated quite well. It was the big plantation owners in the South that raised slavery to a truly barbaric level. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
| As for you, Gopher, this is a horse-and-cart argument. We like to think we have made choices freely, you like to think it's because of our relationship to you. Canada has a more equal society than America, economically, educationally, medically and culturally. We're proud of it, you can't just say "What if?" and say we would have been exactly like you. I doubt it. Call it Canadian exceptionalism, whatever. It's the way we are, hypothesising doesn't change anything. |
I'm sorry but sarcasm and scorn are the worst kinds of pseudorefutation. Please go back to your hole. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't you just admit that you are wrong? I'll accept an apology. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Grotto wrote: |
There were fifteen slave and thirteen free states, meaning that the MAJORITY OF USA endorsed slavery.
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"The population of the Free States, by the census of 1860, amounts to 18,950,759; the population of the thirteen rebellious States to 7,657,395—considerably less than half that of their opponents."
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1861/may/slave-free-states.htm
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Also slaves in Britian were actually treated quite well. It was the big plantation owners in the South that raised slavery to a truly barbaric level. |
England doesn't have too many cotton fields. And as for the English, Bristol was the apex of the most ruthless trading triangle in the history of capitalism. British ships traded mostly cotton goods in west Africa for slaves and dumped them America in exchange for cotton, sugar and rum. Without the Brits, there would have been no slave trade. Plantation owners might have been forced to round up Canadians to pick the cotton! |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Very funny, thorin. Slavery is funny. Ha. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| thorin wrote: |
England doesn't have too many cotton fields. And as for the English, Bristol was the apex of the most ruthless trading triangle in the history of capitalism. British ships traded mostly cotton goods in west Africa for slaves and dumped them America in exchange for cotton, sugar and rum. Without the Brits, there would have been no slave trade. Plantation owners might have been forced to round up Canadians to pick the cotton! |
Without the Brits, there would have been no slave trade? I'm not an expert in history, so please be gentle if I'm wrong, but weren't the Spanish and Portugese avid participants in this business in South America, prior to the British colonies in North America? There are plenty of black and Indian people in the Caribbean and all over the Americans thanks to this practise. Right? |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Slavery is not funny. Didn't I just call the slave trade "the most ruthless trading triangle in the history of capitalism."
Actually it's Canada that's funny. I can't even say "Canada" or "Canadian" with a straight face. I get the same feeling when I say "East Sea" instead of "Sea of Japan". I move that henceforth we refer to each other as what we actually are, Patriots and Tories. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, that's too bad. I feel the same way about America. |
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