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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:15 am Post subject: So Koreans are racist and xenophobic? |
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Well how about Japan? Some food for thought:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm
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Japan racism 'deep and profound'
By Chris Hogg
BBC News, Tokyo
An independent investigator for the UN says racism in Japan is deep and profound, and the government does not recognise the depth of the problem.
Doudou Diene, a UN special rapporteur on racism and xenophobia, was speaking at the end of a nine-day tour of the country.
He said Japan should introduce new legislation to combat discrimination.
Mr Diene travelled to several Japanese cities during his visit, meeting minority groups and touring slums.
He said that although the government helped to organise his visit, he felt many officials failed to recognise the seriousness of the racism and discrimination minorities suffered.
He was also concerned that politicians used racist or nationalist themes, as he put it, to whip up popular emotions. He singled out the treatment of ethnic Koreans and Chinese and indigenous tribes.
Mr Diene says he plans to recommend that Japan enact a law against discrimination, which he said should be drawn up in consultation with minority groups.
He said he would now wait for the Japanese government to respond to his comments before submitting a report to the United Nations.
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I'm curious why Japan was singled out in this study. The point I highlighted seems to me to be a common theme across NE Asia. One-race, one-language monocultures -- or at least pretending to be -- reinforced through education, language, and culture to maintain national sentiment. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe Japan was used as a case example because it is by far the wealthiest nation in Asia and also the most accessible for such a survey. |
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chi-chi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: food for thought. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Why so many Brazilians? Not that I'm complaining, but I'm curious that this is so in a country so infamous for being difficult to emigrate to.
Ken:> |
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roybetis1
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Location: Not near a beach like my recruiter promised.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived in Japan for more than 10 years, and I've lived in Korea for about 2 and a half months. I understand that I'm probably still in my honeymoon phase for Korea, but I find Korea to be much less racist than Japan. |
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Cthulhu
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Gopher
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East Asia is a harsh place. All of them. Period.
I remember seeing an early Bruce Lee flick where Bruce wasn't allowed into a restaurant in some non-Chinese country. The sign said something like "No Dogs and No Chinese." (Bruce brought the sign down with a jump flying kick.)
They are racist against us, but they are ten times more racist against each other. My brother is married to a Thai. You should hear some of the things she and her family say about other Asians... |
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chi-chi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm. Only 47,000 something Americans in Japan? Less than phillipinos. |
That doesn't sound out of line. Does it include military and family? I would expect the number of Filipinos to be greater. They are relatively close. They have a huge population working overseas. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Lets ignore for a moment that David Aldwinkle ('debito') is a professional agitator that deliberately goes out of his way to find places that will 'discriminate' against him. Its so hard for him to find places that he is forced to find sleazy bars that wont give him admittance! |
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plato's republic
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Moldy,
There are also quite a few Japanese living in Brazil too. Not really sure why though. There must have been some mass emigration during the war when Japan was down and out. Who knows?
I lived in Japan for three years and I've been living in Korea for just 4 months now but I actually prefer the way of life in Japan, and I find Japanese people to be friendlier and less racist than Koreans. But that's just my opinion. Japanese people are also very polite and respectful. I've had nothing but people staring at me since I arrived here. And I live in a big city not in the countryside. Each to his own. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Most of the Brazilians in Japan are ethnic Japanese or are married to an ethnic Japanese from Brazil. During the world cup I was waiting in line for tickets that were put on sale by the Brazilian Football Association and most of the people in the line looked Japanese but were speaking Portugese. I later discovered they were 3rd or 4th generation Japanese-Brazilians. |
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manlyboy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: So Koreans are racist and xenophobic? |
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| bosintang wrote: |
Well how about Japan? Some food for thought:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm
| BBC NEWS wrote: |
Japan racism 'deep and profound'
By Chris Hogg
BBC News, Tokyo
He was also concerned that politicians used racist or nationalist themes, as he put it, to whip up popular emotions. |
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Isn't this what politicians have been doing since, well, the beginning of civilization? So Japanese politicians try to garner support by appealing to popular prejudices. Show me a country where politicians don't do that. It's par for the course in politics everywhere. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I've had nothing but people staring at me since I arrived here. And I live in a big city not in the countryside. |
And they don't just stare at you, they turn their heads to keep staring at you as you walk by.
Korea is the only place in the world I've ever been where a little kid would actually gape at me in shock and open-mouthed as I put money into a drink machine, just to get some pocari sweat -- or an old lady would stop, point, and laugh, as I walked by.
Mabye Seoul, Daegu, or Busan might be different, but the Koreans look an awful lot like intolerant, closed-minded peasants who've never traveled 50 miles from where they were born, from where I stand. |
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Dan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem with Japanese culture, is that you're suppose to keep everything inside, so like someone already said, it's hard to know what they are really thinking sometimes. Even the people you think you really know. |
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