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Describe the average hagwon

 
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:16 am    Post subject: Describe the average hagwon Reply with quote

Some, maybe most, are not really good places to work, yet so many of us do. Some of us are fortunate enough to have a good gig at one. Many of us just plow along with the mediocrity of it all.

How would you describe the average hagwon?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I'll try...lol

Disorganized.

Somewhat chaotic.

Unpredictable.

Hectic.

Mindnumbing.

Full of communication problems and gossip.

A business for the boss to make as much profit as possible.

A drag to work at.

And that's my opinion of the AVERAGE one.
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plokiju



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Don't forget shitty hours and extra work outside of class that isn't compensated at all. Phone teaching is fun for everyone.
There is also a general lack of respect for the foreign teachers. I am told only the most relevant of details and then only at the last minute.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plokiju wrote:
I agree. Don't forget *beep* hours and extra work outside of class that isn't compensated at all. Phone teaching is fun for everyone.

Fun for everyone? That's odd. I read the exact opposite in a recent thread. Some said it wasn't too excruciating, but the majority of them absolutely loathed it. To me it sounds like being coerced by an employer to do some uncontracted telemarketing. Do you know that thread called "Teach in Seoul Or Get Kicked in the Head"? -- Well, you could ask me "Phone Teaching Or a Kick in the Nuts?" and I'd need some time to think it over.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one kick in the nuts, one time? Or a kick in the nuts every time you'd have to do phone teaching?

I think it's an important detail.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me just pull up today's exchange rates. Hold on....

Okay, 1.00 Phone Teaching (that's a month of calls) is currently trading at 1.23 Nuts-Kickings. That's the arbitrated rate, meaning you're not allowed to wear a protective device, though you are given a three-second warning in which to prepare yourself mentally and get an early start on the screaming, the gasping for air, the doubling over in pain, and so forth.


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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not the hakwons that are bad, etc...
it's the koreans running the business where the big problem lies!
Most korean hakwon owners have no common sense, lack manners, lack business sense, lack English skills...and are just plain dumb when it comes to treating FT's fair.
Sure, it's a two way street...some bad ESL teachers also...but when ESL teachers from all over the world are having the same horror stories to tell...common sense ought to tell koreans that the big problem is koreans!
Even korean teachers get screwed over but they just take the screwing and complain under their breath!
But..that is the fault of the FT's...until "we" stop signing contracts...we can't help clean up the industry. No FT's means NO English hakwons!
If you have a chance to look at the hakwons that are foreign run and owned...not nearly the amount of problems korean ones have! And the foreign owned ones are doing better than the korean ones!
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's the whole thing that's rotten.

Trying to fix it is like stiking your hand into a whirlpool and trying to make it go in the other direction. You can't.

And, based on your exchange rate, I'll take the phone teaching. I don't like it, but it's relatively painless. Maybe I one-shot kick to the nuts for the whole year, but no way I'm gonna take 1.23 every month, dude.
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plokiju



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
plokiju wrote:
I agree. Don't forget *beep* hours and extra work outside of class that isn't compensated at all. Phone teaching is fun for everyone.

Fun for everyone? That's odd. I read the exact opposite in a recent thread. Some said it wasn't too excruciating, but the majority of them absolutely loathed it. To me it sounds like being coerced by an employer to do some uncontracted telemarketing. Do you know that thread called "Teach in Seoul Or Get Kicked in the Head"? -- Well, you could ask me "Phone Teaching Or a Kick in the Nuts?" and I'd need some time to think it over.


By fun for everyone, I of course meant fun for no one. I hate it. Most of the kids can't wait to get off the phone. Some kids are alright though. I hate it when someone answers and has no idea who I am or why they can't understand me. Ackwards seconds pass and they hang up. I also don't like when they have caller ID and call you back. It just happened to me while I was writing this. I guess what I just said isn't all that fair. I was thinking who is this Korean person calling me. Yeah, fun for nobody.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FlagWaver wrote:


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