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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: rookie hagwon boss attemps rookie rip-off |
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Well last week's episode ended in stalemate and I was under the impression we were in the phase of trying to repair interpersonal relations without stressing about the minor details. However, she sat down with me again today and basically explained how and why she was going to cheat me.
1. She doesn't want to provide health insurance because she would have to pay for the 3 previous months when I was uninsured, going back to my arrival in Korea, not just insurance going forward. As I sat there with puffy red eyes, sniffling and coughing with a summer cold, she asks, "What's the chance of you needing it?"
2. I agreed to take a late late class starting last week, in exchange for overtime pay. Now she says, you must keep teaching the class, but for no extra pay. (b/c technically I still work less than 120 hours/month).
3. Still expects me to take on *another* extra OT class next week, and asks "Why don't you trust me?"
4. Refuses to negotiate, bluntly challenges me to try and contact a higher authority. Doesn't care if this will make for a lousy next 10 months.
Oh...kay.... |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Health insurance must be offered. Tell her you will contact the ministry of health in order to get the plan started. If there is no health care provided chances are she is not doing pension as well....which could be a good thing is you are from a country where you dont get it back.
Late class no pay no show....stand firm and dont back down. You promised me overtime for teaching this class and now you wont pay it  fine biatch then I wont teach it!
Call the dumb biatches bluff. Contact the ministry of health...watch her laugh around the fine she gets as well as the backpayment. OOOhhh Yeahhhh then she gets picked up by the pension board as well an has to back pay into that too....she sounds like a typical Hogwan asshole. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm definitely with Grotto on the health insurance issue. Continue to pressure her on this. Your boss is right that you and she will have to backpay for the time you have been uninsured. If she doesn't pay her share, you will be left holding the bag for all of it, rather than just 50%, should you try to get insurance after you're finished working there. They'll ask for up to two years of health insurance backpayments if that's how long you've been uninsured. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Tell her to stick it and leave! Why would you stick around and work for a jerk like her? You into S&M?
The only reason I can see teachers sticking around a bad hakwon owner is because they have nothing else to go to, no money saved, etc. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I'm definitely with Grotto on the health insurance issue. Continue to pressure her on this. Your boss is right that you and she will have to backpay for the time you have been uninsured. If she doesn't pay her share, you will be left holding the bag for all of it, rather than just 50%, should you try to get insurance after you're finished working there. They'll ask for up to two years of health insurance backpayments if that's how long you've been uninsured. |
Are you sure this is the case, even when you are with a new employer? If you don't want to pay for it, don't you sign a form saying that you don't want it? Doesn't it work on a year-to-year/contract-to-contract basis? I think that they can ask you for back payments if you initially were signed up for it and continued using it without paying for it or didn't have it cancelled while you were betweens jobs(F-2-1 visa holders).
OP, how many hours are you teaching? Does your contract state "hours" or "classes"? Are the classes you are referring to "overtime" or not, according to your contract? Some places try to nickel and dime teachers and call a 50-minute class a 50-minute class when most others places call it an hour. I would consider a contract that states 30 class hours per week to usually include six classes per day consisting of six classes that are anywhere from 45/50 minutes to an hour in length. Just wondering... |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
I agreed to take a late late class starting last week, in exchange for overtime pay. Now she says, you must keep teaching the class, but for no extra pay. (b/c technically I still work less than 120 hours/month).
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If it falls outside your contract hours then it is overtime...if it inisde then I'm afraid she is right on this one... |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
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No way Jose! She agreed that the late class would be overtime and has since gone back on her word. Now that she has him working one she wants to add on another one.
Put your foot down and tell her you wont work that late class without being paid for it in advance! |
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The Kung Fu Hustle
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:14 am Post subject: |
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A lot of bosses seem to think that a month = 4 weeks when they're calculating your monthly 120 hours. But then when they calculate your pay they go according to a calendar month!
During a month with no holidays you'll end up working 4 weeks and a couple of extra days, and should therefore get overtime. It's a pretty hard situation to explain to someone in a second language, so dig out a calendar and draw a diagram. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| The Kung Fu Hustle wrote: |
During a month with no holidays you'll end up working 4 weeks and a couple of extra days, and should therefore get overtime. It's a pretty hard situation to explain to someone in a second language, so dig out a calendar and draw a diagram. |
I do this every month... a right pain in the arse, it is. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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I took the last three classes off today. The excuse was I was sick with a summer cold and too exhausted to teach. It's not a lie, I really am sick, but ordinarily I would have worked and suffered anyway.
The back payments are real, and they've offered to pay 50% but strongly discourage me from opting for it. I think they should pay 100% for the back payments, because (1) it's their mistake and (2) why should I pay for 12 months of insurance but only receive 10 months of insurance? |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| The Kung Fu Hustle wrote: |
| During a month with no holidays you'll end up working 4 weeks and a couple of extra days, and should therefore get overtime. It's a pretty hard situation to explain to someone in a second language, so dig out a calendar and draw a diagram. |
I actually developed a computer program to calculate exact monthly schedules like this. It's a bit tricky because I teach 40 minute classes, but the contract specifies that an hour is 50 minutes (must have been based on another school's contract or something) so you have to multiply by 40 and then divide by 50. But I can prove that in some months they owe me overtime and in others they don't.
I promoted my SALAROMETRON on the tech forums last month but I received limited attention and only heckling, so I pulled if offline. PM me if you want to try it. It's an XLS with macros. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I'm definitely with Grotto on the health insurance issue. Continue to pressure her on this. Your boss is right that you and she will have to backpay for the time you have been uninsured. If she doesn't pay her share, you will be left holding the bag for all of it, rather than just 50%, should you try to get insurance after you're finished working there. They'll ask for up to two years of health insurance backpayments if that's how long you've been uninsured. |
Are you sure this is the case, even when you are with a new employer? If you don't want to pay for it, don't you sign a form saying that you don't want it? Doesn't it work on a year-to-year/contract-to-contract basis? I think that they can ask you for back payments if you initially were signed up for it and continued using it without paying for it or didn't have it cancelled while you were betweens jobs(F-2-1 visa holders).
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My first year I wasn't medically insured. I went to Canada for 6 weeks. When i came back to Korea the 2nd time around I didn't have to make any backpayments. But, who knows with them. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| The back payments are real, and they've offered to pay 50% but strongly discourage me from opting for it. I think they should pay 100% for the back payments, because (1) it's their mistake and (2) why should I pay for 12 months of insurance but only receive 10 months of insurance? |
At your place it's real. The one place you signed a one-year contract with. I agree. I even had to pay almost a year of underpayments because of my last idiotic hakwon. They reported the teacher's earnings as 1,000,000won and then we were all saddled with having to come up with the differnce divided by two when we re-signed and the tax office spoke with the national health people. Some of these places really have to reassess how they're doing things. That place was one of the famous "big" and "stable" ones. Yeah, whatever. Anyway, I had no choice in the matter other than to not re-sign for a fourth year at that hole.
Hope you're feeling better. Take a whole day off tomorrow. Does your contract give you sick days? |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| denverdeath wrote: |
| Hope you're feeling better. Take a whole day off tomorrow. Does your contract give you sick days? |
No, I should have thought of that! |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Hey joe_doufu,
I'm going through a similar situation concerning tax/pension/health insurance payments with my hagwon. Been paid for the first three months in full without any deductions basically because the director hasn't bothered to concern herself with such 'trivial' issues as these. So I asked my co-worker to go ask her about it today and I'll press for an answer early next week, cos I don't want to get lumped with huge backpayments for tax/health insurance in the future. I feel for you.
Concerning the other issue about 'extra OT' classes, if she promised to pay overtime for it then she changed her mind I would tell her to stick those extra classes. No pay, no overtime! Simple enough. Don't be forced to do anything you don't want or anything unreasonable. Plus it sounds dodgy that you don't get any sick days in a year. What happens if you're off work for a few days? How much money would you lose? Something worth considering if you ask me. There are plenty of better jobs out there. Tell your boss that you'll walk if she doesn't start keeping her promises. |
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