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keithinkorea
Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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| The British police are doing an excellent job, I have to say: outstanding. |
They certainly are, the antiterrorist squad and other are doing a great job and it is pretty amazing how quickly they're tracking down the perps. Hopefully they'll get some of the big boys behind the operation and some very useful anti terrorist intelligence.
There are some very interesting comments by Muslims on this issue. The vast majority of British Muslims are shocked and utterly disgusted with these terrorist types. There is a huge problem within contempory Islam and many people do admit it.
Here is an interesting article on a few peoples views. There are some sane views and some that are utterly deluded.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1529686,00.html
There seems to be an unhealthy paranoia on many sides of this issue and some of the moronic statements made by Delouser and others are as bad as the ignorance dished out by the islamic extremists. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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*British muslim suicide bombers are not a new phenomenon, and British bred terrorists a previously ignored problem.
British Muslim suicide bombers Ashif Muhahmmad Hanif, 22 (R)
and Omar Khan Sharif, 27 (L) are seen as they pose with AK 47
rifles in a frame grab taken from a videotape handed out by
Hamas March 8, 2004, nearly a year after their deaths. The
22-year-old Briton of Pakistani descent blew himself up at Mike's
Place, a jazz club on Tel Aviv's beach promenade, on April 30,
2003, killing three people in an attack claimed by Hamas. Hanif's
partner in the attack, 27-year-old Sharif, attempted to detonate
his bomb, but failed, then fled the scene. His body later washed
ashore on the Tel Aviv beach. al-REUTERS/ HO/ Hamas |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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뷙xpel the 1 million illegal immigrants illegally in the country.
?Begin an internal audit and registration of all British citizens and verify citizenship and passport status and remove all illegals and false entrants. |
Pipe dreams.
It's question (yet again) of arguing about what should be done without examining what can be done. |
It's entirely possible. It has been done in the past by nations far less sophisticated than Britain. |
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| And Leslie, Leslie. The reasons these countries could do it is precisely because the countries were far less sophisticated |
Less sophisticated in what aspects? Leslie is right to be worried about Western Civilization, but the reason Islam is such a threat is because Western Civilization right now is so weak.
Firstly, right now in Europe, the birthrate is declining. The will to procreate is low. Even the United States would be in trouble if not for its immigrants and the bumper crop amongst religious families. The declining birthrate makes Europe (including many Eastern European nations) particularly dependent upon and susceptible to the influences of immigration.
Secondly, the role of Western Civilization in inspiring the rise of Fundamentalist Islam must be acknowledged. Look here to see a good series on the intimate ties of Nazism and Islamic militancy both in its fascist and fundamentalist incarnations. There is a direct relationship stemming from the Nazis to the Muslim Brotherhood onto Sayyib Qutb and to Ayman al-Zawahiri. Ayman al-Zawahiri is Osama bin Laden's Deputy.
In addition, many Jihadists are not shepherds or Bedouin from the heart of Arabia, but instead either rich and wealthy disaffected from the Middle East, or Westerners with Islamic heritage who have studied Western Civilization and found its doctrines unpalatable.
I am not here blaming Western Civilization for the rise of Islamic militancy at all. What I am saying is that current weed of Islamic militancy thrives on its soil. The UK, France, Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, and the rest of Europe need to evaluate whether they are strong enough to sustain so many Islamic immigrants. My amateur opinion is that right now Western Europe should simply declare themselves unable to hold to such liberal standards of immigration policy and tolerance, and begin to turn away applicants of immigration whose loyalty is unassured. In addition, they need to crack down on those preaching extremism, particularly in mosques and other religious areas. Their visas should be revoked and they should be shipped out. I very much doubt that this will effect many other ethnic groups, and I very much believe that loyal Muslims will benefit from this action by protecting their families from the predations of extremism.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Poor east Europeans of similar cultural heritage are the people who should be filling the void of Western Europe's declining birthrate and need for immigrants.
That way the EU would be helping spread prosperity and economic/cultural integration through all its regions.
Europe should stop the invasion (err immigration) of Muslims now unless they want severe problems in the future.
britain for one has consistently imported the worst kind of immigrant possible.
"Well educated? Of European descent? No chance.
Former Muslim terrorist? No education,no qualifications? and no cultural link to Europe? FINE! Come on in and bring all your family, and their relations with you".
Its insane how the liberal west has pressed its own self destruct button over the past 40 years. And continues to do so. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Keith, you look desperate when you resort to name calling.
I'd like to review this habit that UK Muslims have about pointing to the injustices in Iraq, Israel and Afghanistan.
Aside from Israel, both wars were started to remove dictatorships. UK muslims would agree with Hussien as a bad guy but I'm not so certain about the Taleban.
The part about removing these people has almost been done but UK Muslims are critisizing the post removal behavior in that The US won't allow a theocratic dictatorship. That seems to really bother UK Muslims
I'm also not surprised that UK Muslims didn't have any tears for southern Sudanese when they read the list of injustices. Sudan can be a chilling scenario in that "rescuing" southern Sudanese means fighting the Muslim northern Arabs. If that happens, UK Muslims will add that activity to the list of greivences ie more oppression of Muslims in Sudan. Hence, stopping an ethnocide committed by Muslims is oppression. You should Hope you never get into that situation.
Keith, you Guardian article insists that I give credit to Muslims for their prayer. Prayer is valueless and a a useless waste of time, I shouldn't be bullied into appreciating it. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| The vast majority of British Muslims are shocked and utterly disgusted with these terrorist types. |
While they do indeed say that, such comments are inevitably followed up by an examination of the 'reasons', which always involve any conceivable slight against muslims. Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, and as always, Western support of the Jews.
Moderate leaders have blood on their hands for propagating the idea that muslims are a victimised people and that everywhere their religion is under attack (despite the fact that the opposite is often the case). They have been waffling on about Islamophobia and oppression for years and have created an angry generation of young men susceptible to hardline Islamic teachings.
Here's a sermon from Leeds central mosque, a suposedly 'moderate' (it is becoming increasingly difficult to know what exactly this constitutes in Islam) mosque, espousing both Jihad and jew hatred. And now the crocodile tears are flowing.
http://www.leedsgrandmosque.org.uk/khutbahs/khutba-20040326.asp
"We learnt, from last Friday��s speech, how the rulings of Islam are based on great considerations and objectives, and we mentioned that they are represented in the preservation of the deen (religion), preservation of life, preservation of intellect, preservation of lineage, and preservation of wealth. The speech last week was about preserving the deen and preserving life, and we learnt how Islam commands its followers to fulfil their obligations towards preserving their deen, adhering to it, and establishing its rites, by performing the acts of worship, fulfilling the obligations, leaving what is prohibited, calling people altogether to the great shade of this deen with its wide space, its abundant justice and its great tolerance. If the forces of evil stop and intervene between the people and them entering this deen as Allah, exalted is He, loves for them, it is legislated for those who call, when they face these oppressive forces, to fight [i]Jihad in the path of Allah, and it is legislated for them to sacrifice themselves for the sake of this deen and for the sake of making the da'wah of Islam reach every heart." [/i]
I thought 'Jihad' was just a spiritual struggle. At least that's the line that the 'moderates' keep giving to us.
"The assassination of Shaykh Ahmad Yasin reminds you of the treachery of the Jews; their plotting and their scheming. Who tried to kill your Prophet by throwing a rock from the top of the house which the Prophet sallalahu ��alaihi wa sallam was sitting in, and who is the one who put poison into the lambs meat which was given to the Prophet sallalahu ��alaihi wa sallam? Who whispered to Abu Lu��luah al-Majoosi, who betrayed and killed Amir-ul-Mu��mineen, ��Umar ibn al-Khattab, and he was leading the Muslims in Fajr prayer? Who was the one who spread tribulation and dissention and planned the assassination of the Khalifah of the Muslims ��Uthman bin ��Affan, who was killed while reading the book of Allah? And who was the one who killed Imam ��Ali RA while he was on the way to Fajr prayer? And who are the ones today who have killed a leader, a Mujahid, after he performed the Fajr prayer? The planning and the actions are the same; it is only the hands and the names that differ."
Beautiful, beautiful stuff I'm sure you'll agree.
As rapier has already pointed out, you simply cannot win with muslims. Any military actions against a muslim nation, whether in self-defence or not, will be taken as an action against all muslims and 'Jihad' will be declared, and the Jihad will not end until the West capitulates.
Hopefully, Europe will soon wake up and realise that a growing Islamic population, whose first loyalties will always be to the Umma and not to their adopted countries, amounts to nothing less than social suicide. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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How can this be allowed to happen, a week after muslim suicide bombers murdered civilians in London?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1696077,00.html
"A MUSLIM cleric who has defended suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq is to be allowed into Britain next month for an international conference."
The Jihadis must be laughing at how weak the infidels are. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Keith, you look desperate when you resort to name calling.
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Oh, the irony. The irony. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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The British police are doing an excellent job, I have to say: outstanding.
But prevention is better than cure |
One couldn't agree more.
British Gov't Under Fire Over Bomber Probe
By BETH GARDINER, Associated Press Writer
LONDON - Criticism of the British government grew Monday over the revelation that the vaunted domestic intelligence service did not detain one of the London attackers last year after linking him to a suspect in an alleged plot by other Britons of Pakistani descent to explode a truck bomb in the capital.
The MI5 found itself under fire as new information emerged Monday about the bombers' connection with Pakistan: Two of the suspects traveled together to the southern city of Karachi last November and returned to London in February. A third bomber went to the same city last July.
The British intelligence service reportedly did not find Mohammad Sidique Khan — who was checked out in connection with the alleged bomb plot last year — to be a threat to national security and failed to put him under surveillance.
The Home Office, which speaks for MI5, declined to comment on the suggestion that agents had dropped a crucial lead, or on reports that a Briton of Pakistani origin suspected of links to al-Qaida had entered the country two to three weeks before the attack and flown out the day before.
If true, "this would indeed be evidence of an enormous failure," said Charles Shoebridge, a security analyst and former counterterrorism intelligence officer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/britain_bombings;_ylt=AlkB10K.BIGL7grw3Kia4nADW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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trigger123
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Location: TALKING TO STRANGERS, IN A BETTER PLACE
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| If true, "this would indeed be evidence of an enormous failure," said Charles Shoebridge, a security analyst and former counterterrorism intelligence officer. |
if true, the fact that the moon is in indeed made of cheese would be 'foolproof fact of fantastical folly', said the cat in the hat.
'if' is a big word. |
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keithinkorea
Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Keith, you look desperate when you resort to name calling.
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Oh, the irony. The irony. |
Da loser recently said he had 'little smpathy' for Londons victims. He is a scumbag. If I'd said 'well I can relate to the 911 terrorists and America deserved it' I'd have been rightly permabanned! 99.9% of Britons were horrified by what happened on 911.
Of course, I'm quite within my rights to call arseholes like dulouz. Anyone who can think that people deserve terrorism is a sick troll.
If someone makes you very angry it is natural to call them names is it not?
Derreck has quite right wing views but has respect to others. Dull loser has horrible racist views and no respect for anyones feelings, the loser can take a long walk of a short pier.
I might not always agree with Derrek but he is -it seems- a decent human being.  |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:23 am Post subject: PC Culture to Destroy us All |
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1) I guess I'm a racist when I see three Arab men praying before they board MY flight and given that 100% of all successful terrorist attacks involving U.S. flights were committed by Muslim terrorists.
2) I guess a pizza delivery guy is racist when his boss orders him to deliver one in a high-crime black neighborhood, and the delivery guy shudders.
3) I guess a NY City black taxi driver is racist when he passes another black man hailing a cab given the many experiences he's had of black passengers stiffing him after reaching their destinations. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:58 am Post subject: Re: PC Culture to Destroy us All |
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| 1) I guess I'm a racist when I see three Arab men praying before they board MY flight and given that 100% of all successful terrorist attacks involving U.S. flights were committed by Muslim terrorists. |
Yes, you are. Firstly, do you own the plane? YOUR flight? Jeez. Secondly, you're wrong. 100%?
1955, Denver, American after insurance money.
1957, California, American trying to kill himself.
1960, North Carolina, American. Possibly unwitting bomb carrier, possibly suicide.
1964, CA, Philippino shot the pilots
1981, JFK (ok, not strictly a flight), Puerto Ricans.
1987, CA, fired employee (American) shot the pilots
More recently, perhaps you're right about them all being Muslims. Even so, the number of flights affected is not exactly high. Where a cause was identified, over half of fatalities were caused by pilot error. Perhaps it's not the passengers you should be checking out.
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| 2) I guess a pizza delivery guy is racist when his boss orders him to deliver one in a high-crime black neighborhood, and the delivery guy shudders. |
If he does the same when being ordered to deliver to a high-crime white neighbourhood, of course not.
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| 3) I guess a NY City black taxi driver is racist when he passes another black man hailing a cab given the many experiences he's had of black passengers stiffing him after reaching their destinations. |
Yes, it is racist. Perhaps he feels he has justification, but why link them by the colour of their skin in particular? |
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