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[Gopher]

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[Cthulhu]

[keithinkorea]

The flying squad don't fly, they're basically elite hardcore detectives who usually deal with gangsters and other types, if you've ever seen the cult British TV show the sweeney http://www.tv.com/sweeney/show/5242/summary.html.

Mi5 is the internal security intelligence, Mi6 don't officially exist but they deal with foreign intelligence matters, basically spies. I seriously doubt that all m15 officers are armed but most I'd imagine are probably trained in the use of firearms, they are understandably a very secret organisation.

[keithinkorea]

[AdamH]

A cop with a gun in Britain is a very serious thing. They do not, EVER, fire unless the they can be certain that their actions are completely beyond reproach. An officer's whole career - and, indeed, those of others responsible for him - can be sidelined as a result. It's not uncommon for police marksmen to be having to deal with endless paperwork and trying to defend their choice for several years (6 or more for one guy I know of)after the event.

[hypnotist]

[bigverne]

For some interesting information on the 'moderate' MCB, take a look at these sites.

http://mcbwatch.blogspot.com/

And here's what the 'moderate' leader of the MCB said about Salman Rushdie some years ago;

Mr Iqbal Sacranie, of the UK Action Committee on Islamic Affairs, said: "Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him? his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah."

Is he a reformed man, or merely a wolf in sheep's clothing?

http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/generalfiction/story/0,6000,112335,00.html

[keithinkorea]

[hypnotist]

[keithinkorea]

[rapier]

There will be plenty of more bombers unless britain tackles the command bases of extremism that it has so willingly hosted over the past few years.

Musharraf is risking his skin by claming down in Pakistan- yet as he says, "Britain has done nothing" to protect itself. He is going out on a limb, while Britain continues to be a willing haven for extremist terrorists, giving sanctuary and garuanteeing the comfort of a range of muslims who espouse hatred and and terrorism. Pakistan has banned its own extremists. Britain tolerates and supports them.

Now is the time For Britain to start putting its house in order... something they should have done years back. If they don't, there will be plenty more bombers for years to come.

[matthewwoodford]

According to the article in this thread ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm ):-

[The Bobster]

I read this article earlier today, abd I've been waiting for the lot of you (save mith, and a few others, maybe) to some come back and hang your heads in contrition publicly for the nonsense you all been saying.

Clue : Terrorsist win when their actions cause us to injure our side rather than theirs - it means that fear is doing our thinking for us, and that means of course that we are not thinking at all.

Family mourn for Brazilian victim

Relatives and friends of Jean Charles de Menezes, the Brazilian man shot by police in London, have expressed their grief, shock and anger at the killing.

His London-based cousin, Alex Pereira, paid tribute to him but sharply criticised authorities for the error.

His grandmother said there was no reason for considering him a terrorist.

The 27-year-old was fatally shot after boarding a train at Stockwell underground station on Friday, a day after failed attacks on the network.

Climate of terror

The BBC's Steve Kingstone in Sao Paulo says there has been a lot of sympathy for London in Brazil over the bombings, together with an understanding of the need for tough police action.

He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart, and I am terribly sad about what happened

Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo

But Brazilians are also strongly opposed to the Iraq war and there is still a lot of anger about the US invasion, he says.

They will be also be asking why someone lying on the floor and apparently offering no resistance was shot, according to eyewitnesses, five times in the head.

Our correspondent says the Brazilian government, while obviously sensitive to the broader climate of terror, is under pressure from its people to deliver answers.

It said in a statement it was shocked and perplexed, and expected a full explanation from the UK authorities.

'Full of life'

Details have been emerging about Mr Menezes - an apparently law-abiding citizen who was well-liked and as concerned as other Londoners about the bomb attacks.


Mr Pereira said his cousin was the son of a bricklayer and grew up in the city of Gonzaga in Minas Gerais state, a source of many migrants to Europe and the US.

He moved to Sao Paulo to live with his uncle at the age of 14, attended high school and became a qualified electrician.


Menezes was said to be on his way to fit a fire alarm

He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English.

The cousin described him as a "person full of life", adding that he was "a victim of government's mistakes."

"They had to kill someone to show the whole population they are working and make the country safe," he told the BBC.

"He does not have a past that would make him run from police," he added in an interview for Brazilian TV.

But the BBC's Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes' experience of Sao Paulo's slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him.

His grandmother, Zilda Ambrosia de Figueiredo, offered perhaps the most touching tribute.

She told Globo TV: "He was very easy going and very communicative with everyone."

"He was the grandson that I always carried inside my heart. And I am terribly sad about what happened."

Motorbike

Gésio César D'avila, a friend and colleague, said Mr Menezes had considered alternative transport after the failed attacks on 21 July.

"We were together on Thursday, and when we saw what happened, Jean said he wanted to buy a motorbike to avoid the tube," he said.

On Friday Mr Menezes had come out of his flat in Tulse Hill, south London, which he shared with cousins Vivian and Patricia.

He was thought to be on his way to fit a fire alarm.

The house had been under police surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday's attempted bombings.

Police followed him as he caught a bus to Stockwell tube station.

They said Mr Menezes' apparently bulky clothing added to their suspicions. Some Brazilians find even summer weather in the UK cold and often dress warmly.

But cousin Patricia Armani said she did not remember him wearing a padded jacket.

"He didn't use to feel cold. In the winter he even walked on the street with T-shirt," she told the BBC Brasil.com

[Gopher]

[keithinkorea]

Twas a tragedy bobster, but the guy was an idiot. With recent problems in London the police are not going to ask you nicely, especially if yuo're wearing sus clothes.

The guy should have stopped running, lay on his belly and chilled out. Instead he ran jumped a barrier and ran down to a train. I'm no big fan of the filth but I defend their actions in trying to keep Londoners safe.

It was an accident, but there is a message. If an oficial type with a gun tells you to stop moving you stop. His English was supposedly excellent!

I feel sorry for him, an innocent man gunned down. Doesn't change the fact he was a bloody idiot.