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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| She has in the past. Let's say she wasn't during that instance in Africa just for argument's sake. The point is she was. Who knew she was? Some who had security clearances, no one else. She was a spy at one point. Think of the people she got info from back in the day. Perhaps they were put at risk thanks to her exposure. Unlikely, but that is not for Rove to decide. He had no idea what her CIA background was, and had no idea if she was still active. Did he even think about the lives he could be putting on the line? No. He was being a self-centered ass. The man is a sociopath who only cares about power and control. |
That she worked for the CIA was an open secret. She seemed to have told her friends and family. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| She has in the past. Let's say she wasn't during that instance in Africa just for argument's sake. The point is she was. Who knew she was? Some who had security clearances, no one else. She was a spy at one point. Think of the people she got info from back in the day. Perhaps they were put at risk thanks to her exposure. Unlikely, but that is not for Rove to decide. He had no idea what her CIA background was, and had no idea if she was still active. Did he even think about the lives he could be putting on the line? No. He was being a self-centered ass. The man is a sociopath who only cares about power and control. |
That she worked for the CIA was an open secret. She seemed to have told her friends and family. |
friends and family=national media?
Now Joo, honestly... Let's see, what is more likely to happen: an African leader is going to find out that some attache at the american embassy is/was a spy a) due to one of her friends or family members or b) reading about it in the NY Times or some other widely read publication such as Time.
Hmmm, i wonder. Chances of a) happening? Slim to none. B? Pretty certain. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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How does this affect national security?
Well, if you consider just Valerie Plame, it doesn't seem to be much, but the fact remains that if she indeed was a spy at some point, (and that does indeed seem to be true) this affects not only her but anyone she had contact with. Who knows how many secret agents were compromised because of this partisan stupidity |
This is true, but in my opinion, what is more important is that high-ranking members of the administration were willing to do anything to to protect their policy of distorting facts in order to get the war they wanted. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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How did it compromise US natl security?
Did she do undercover work? |
If she didn't then why did the CIA ask for an investigation? Republicans never seem to get around to that question, though they like answering lots of irrelevant ones--is Joe Wilson a publicity *beep*? Did Matt Cooper call Rove? Etc. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| That she worked for the CIA was an open secret. She seemed to have told her friends and family. |
You've said this a couple of times now,i f I'm not mistaken. I've read quite the opposite, that her friends and family were quite surprised. I'm wondering why you posted no evidence, not any link whatsoever ... ?
I have a theory about why you didn't.
Do you want to tell us why, Joo? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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I read it on this board
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=590201&highlight=#590201
and then I looked around and found this .
Warning the Washington Times is in my opinon usually Alternative media.
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The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
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Rove fight escalates
By Stephen Dinan and Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published July 15, 2005
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The partisan fight over Karl Rove exploded onto the Senate floor yesterday, with Democrats trying to strip him of his security clearance and Republicans retaliating by trying to strip the chamber's two top Democrats of theirs.
The moves, which came as amendments to a spending bill, both failed, but not before each side blamed the other for "juvenile" behavior and for poisoning a well of good feelings they said had existed in the past few weeks.
Some senators said the entire exercise was wrong.
"There might be a contest between which of these amendments is more poorly drafted," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican, who voted against both amendments.
"We should not be doing this. This is exactly why the American public holds Congress in such low esteem right now," said Sen. Susan Collins, Maine Republican, who also opposed both.
Meanwhile, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, whose wife, Valerie Plame, and her identity as a cover CIA employee is the central issue, came to the Capitol to call for President Bush to fire Mr. Rove.
"I believe it is time for Karl Rove to go and time for this president to live up to his promises that anyone involved in this leak would be fired," Mr. Wilson said during a press conference with Sen. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, steps away from the Senate floor.
Mr. Bush said in 2003 that he would fire whoever leaked the information about Mrs. Plame's identity. Mr. Rove spoke to Time magazine's Matt Cooper about Mr. Wilson's wife, warning the reporter about Mr. Wilson's false claim that he was sent to Niger by Vice President Dick Cheney.
Democrats have since called repeatedly for Mr. Rove to be fired or at least lose his security clearance as White House deputy chief of staff.
But Republicans said to wait for results from a special prosecutor who is investigating the case and could be considering charges of obstruction of justice or perjury.
A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency's headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee.
"She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat," Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times.
The distinction matters because a law that forbids disclosing the name of undercover CIA operatives applies to agents that had been on overseas assignment "within the last five years."
"She was home for such a long time, she went to work every day at Langley, she was in an analytical type job, she was married to a high-profile diplomat with two kids," Mr. Rustmann said. "Most people who knew Valerie and her husband, I think, would have thought that she was an overt CIA employee." "Her neighbors knew this, her friends knew this, his friends knew this. A lot of blame could be put on to central cover staff and the agency because they weren't minding the store here. ... The agency never changed her cover status."
Mr. Rustmann, who spent 20 of his 24 years in the agency under "nonofficial cover" -- also known as a NOC, the same status as the wife of Mr. Wilson -- also said that she worked under extremely light cover.
In addition, Mrs. Plame hadn't been out as an NOC since 1997, when she returned from her last assignment, married Mr. Wilson and had twins, USA Today reported yesterday.
Asked whether his wife had been compromised before the press leak, Mr. Wilson said, "I have no idea," though he said that her work has had to change since the leaks.
"My wife's status is that she is back at work, obviously in a different capacity, and she no longer has the cover that she once held," he said.
One neighbor of the Wilsons, who live in the affluent Palisades community in Northwest, said that he "absolutely didn't know" that Mrs. Plame was in the CIA.
"We understood her to work as an economist," said David Tillotson, a 62-year old lawyer. He said he didn't know that Mrs. Plame commuted to CIA headquarters, but added that "they wouldn't be conducting an investigation if she hadn't been covert."
Democrats had been pressuring the White House to act all week, but yesterday decided to try to force the matter.
Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, along with Minority Whip Richard J. Durbin of Illinois and three other top Democrats, called for the end of security clearance for anyone "who discloses, or has disclosed, classified information, including the identity of a covert agent of the Central Intelligence Agency, to a person not authorized to receive such information."
"Even a child knows that if a person can't keep a secret, you stop telling him secrets," Mr. Schumer said.
Majority Leader Bill Frist, Tennessee Republican, called Democrats' amendment "purely a political amendment" and then submitted his own.
It would have stripped clearance from federal officeholders who make "reference to a classified Federal Bureau of Investigation report on the floor of the United States Senate, or any federal officeholder that makes a statement based on a FBI agent's comments which is used as propaganda by terrorist organizations thereby putting our servicemen and women at risk."
The former is a reference to Mr. Reid, who mentioned the FBI file of one of Mr. Bush's judicial nominees, and the latter is a reference to Mr. Durbin, whose comparison of U.S. interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay to Nazi and Soviet regimes was cited in Middle Eastern press, including Al Jazeera.
Mr. Frist's amendment failed 64-33, with 20 Republicans joining Democrats and one independent in voting against it, while Mr. Reid's amendment failed on a party-line vote, 53-44.
President Bush yesterday gave his longtime confidant an unusual show of support, walking out side by side with Mr. Rove on the White House South Lawn as he headed to his helicopter to leave for a trip to Indiana.
The president almost always walks out alone, with his aides following behind.
Later in the day, about 100 protesters -- chanting, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Karl Rove has got to go" -- picketed outside the White House while Mr. Bush was in Indiana.
The protesters were organized by the liberal group MoveOn.org, which provided signs that read: "Stop the Cover-up: Fire Karl Rove."
• Nathan Burchfiel contributed to this report. |
http://www.washtimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050715-121257-9887r
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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friends and family=national media?
Now Joo, honestly... Let's see, what is more likely to happen: an African leader is going to find out that some attache at the american embassy is/was a spy a) due to one of her friends or family members or b) reading about it in the NY Times or some other widely read publication such as Time.
Hmmm, i wonder. Chances of a) happening? Slim to none. B? Pretty certain. |
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The national media seemed to know about it
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| If she didn't then why did the CIA ask for an investigation? Republicans never seem to get around to that question, though they like answering lots of irrelevant ones--is Joe Wilson a publicity *beep*? Did Matt Cooper call Rove? Etc. |
they don't want to want to see that kind of thing become standard practice
This is interesting
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Wilson Admits Wife Not a 'Covert' Agent (CNN Interview transcript)
CNN | 7-14-05 | Wolf Blitzer
Posted on 07/15/2005 8:37:10 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
While many news sources report it as fact, it is very unclear what Valerie Plame's status is/was. Here's the most important part of Wilson's interview from last night. In order to protect himself from criticism about the Vanity Fair photo shoot, the book deal, and his generally self-aggrandizing, self-enriching behavior since July 2003, Wilson admits that his wife was not a covert agent:
BLITZER: But the other argument that's been made against you is that you've sought to capitalize on this extravaganza, having that photo shoot with your wife, who was a clandestine officer of the CIA, and that you've tried to enrich yourself writing this book and all of that.
What do you make of those accusations, which are serious accusations, as you know, that have been leveled against you.
WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.
BLITZER: But she hadn't been a clandestine officer for some time before that?
WILSON: That's not anything that I can talk about. And, indeed, I'll go back to what I said earlier, the CIA believed that a possible crime had been committed, and that's why they referred it to the Justice Department.
She was not a clandestine officer at the time that that article in Vanity Fair appeared. And I have every right to have the American public know who I am and not to have myself defined by those who would write the sorts of things that are coming out, being spewed out of the mouths of the RNC... |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1443603/posts |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Joo, I already pointed out it was irrelevant if she was a covert agent at that time or not.
The fact, to repeat myself, was she was in the past. |
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