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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: Radical Kuwaiti Imams Drowned Out in Pro-American Protests |
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Report: Radical Kuwaiti Imams Drowned Out in Pro-American Protests by Local Worshippers
From the Al-Siyasah newspaper (received June 6):
"The Imam of al-Jabiriyah preached against the Americans and the Worshippers shouted 'O' Allah, make America stronger!"
"The Al-Siyasah newspaper has received news that several mosques in Kuwait have begun to exhibit a new phenomenon manifested in the rejection by worshippers of extremist prayers expressed by some of the Imams during their Khutbah [friday prayer]. These prayers included invitations to fight the Americans and to become more hostile towards them. An example of this [phenomenon] was when Nabil al-Awadi, who is an Imam at one of the mosques in the southern region of Al-Surrah, began preaching against the Americans in his last Friday Khutbah. As a result, the people at prayer cut off his speech and demanded that he stop talking. Additionally, the worshippers at the mosque of Aisha Shabib in the Al-Jabiriyah neighborhood shouted, 'O' Allah, make Islam and America stronger' in response to what the Imam of that mosque had said during friday prayer about America and the current war [in Iraq]." |
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/07/report_radical_.html
Just curious are they the enemy?  |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Kuwait is an example of economics and prosperity triumphing over religion.
Kuwaitis have profoundly changed their views of their government and of the outside world. The ruling Sabah family has come in for much criticism. Some of it concerns the invasion: Why had Kuwait given over $15 billion dollars to Iraq during the 1980s? Why was the country strategically isolated on August 2, 1990? Why was it so completely unprepared for the invasion?
The re-establishment of Kuwait's parliament just over a year ago provides a forum for this discontent.
When pressed, virtually every Kuwaiti acknowledges that Kuwait remains rich and weak; that Iraq and Iran remain aggressive states; and that American troops remain the sole guarantor of Kuwait's security, even its very existence. But domestic issues absorb so much attention, only a few sophisticated voices worry much about the outside world.
In this regard, Kuwaitis resemble Americans: both peoples have turned their attention away from external issues to concentrate on rebuilding their societies. The difference is that while Americans can afford such introspection, Kuwaitis cannot. I worry that Kuwaiti fascination with domestic matters will render their country, once again, vulnerable to its thuggish neighbors.
Resurrecting Kuwait achieved something important for U.S. interests. Kuwait joined that long list of countries which enjoys a free existence thanks to the United States of America. Admittedly, Kuwait is pretty minor compared to the other countries that fit this description-all of Europe, the former Soviet Union, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Israel-but it stands out as the first Arab state in the category.
As such, it offers a unique opportunity. Lacking the profound anti-Americanism found in all other Arabic-speaking countries, Kuwait could be America's first Arab ally. There exist tactical arrangements with other countries (Egypt, Saudi Arabia), but Kuwait could be different-a real ally, with which the U.S share values and long-term goals. Despite its small size and population, Kuwait has much to offer: a critical location, a foothold within OPEC, a leading cultural influence, and a political model for its neighbors.
Trouble is, both Kuwaitis and Americans have for the moment lost interest in the other. The time has come for both to pay more attention to the other and reap the many potential benefits of stronger ties. If they don't, both will pay for it when the Persian Gulf goes through its next round of troubles.
http://www.meforum.org/article/pipes/246 |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: |
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I suspect things like this have been more common than we know about because the media hasn't been reporting them.
In the last couple of months there have been several American Moslems on C-Span Book Channel talking about their books. During those discussions, they have told stories of criticisms of extremism in their local mosques over the last several years. Quite a different feeling than the extremists on this forum report. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I suspect that kuwait has benefitted very well financially from the export of Iraqi oil by the U.S. since the occupation as well. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Kuwait is the 2nd most conservative country in the Middle East. It finally allowed women to vote earlier this year. I'd hardly call it progressive. Kuwaitis also have a notorious reputation amongst other Arabs for being snobbish and a-holes, so the chances of it becoming any kind of model for the region is a stretch.
We saved their asses though, so I'm not surprised many Kuwaitis are pro-American. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
the chances of it becoming any kind of model for the region is a stretch.
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You say Kuwait is the 2nd most conservative country. On the contrary: the invasion caused a turn around in society there. It was pivotal moment for the advancements of woman's rights. Women have advanced in all aspects.
*Women now appear on television regularly.
*go out driving alone, shopping and to restaurants unaccompanied by men.
*Women now outnumber men in some universities.
"Immediately after the invasion something abnormal happened. Women started to work..because the invasion taught us that a person has to prove themself, wether a man or woman. There is no difference between men and women" (unmarried 20,29 yr old Kuwaiti woman).
http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/specreports/kuwaitwomen.pdf
-Factor in the advances brought about by technology, globalisation and development since the invasion and American liberation in the past decade, i'd say that Kuwait has a good chance of beoming a role model. |
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Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004 Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:43 am Post subject: |
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*Women now appear on television regularly.
*go out driving alone, shopping and to restaurants unaccompanied by men.
*Women now outnumber men in some universities. |
FWIW, that was pretty much the case when I first went to Kuwait in 1977.
I see it was the Americans who liberated Kuwait. I didn't know before that they alone had done that.  |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
In this regard, Kuwaitis resemble Americans: both peoples have turned their attention away from external issues to concentrate on rebuilding their societies. The difference is that while Americans can afford such introspection, Kuwaitis cannot. I worry that Kuwaiti fascination with domestic matters will render their country, once again, vulnerable to its thuggish neighbors. |
I'm sorry, can you tell me when that was? I missed the moment that happened and I've been eagerly waiting for it.
As far as I can tell, the U.S. government is still focused on foreign adventurism and could not give a piss in a pot about social security, health care, crime, environmental degradation, or any number of domestic issues. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
bucheon bum wrote: |
the chances of it becoming any kind of model for the region is a stretch.
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You say Kuwait is the 2nd most conservative country. On the contrary: the invasion caused a turn around in society there. It was pivotal moment for the advancements of woman's rights. Women have advanced in all aspects.
*Women now appear on television regularly.
*go out driving alone, shopping and to restaurants unaccompanied by men.
*Women now outnumber men in some universities.
"Immediately after the invasion something abnormal happened. Women started to work..because the invasion taught us that a person has to prove themself, wether a man or woman. There is no difference between men and women" (unmarried 20,29 yr old Kuwaiti woman).
http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/specreports/kuwaitwomen.pdf
-Factor in the advances brought about by technology, globalisation and development since the invasion and American liberation in the past decade, i'd say that Kuwait has a good chance of beoming a role model. |
Dude, the only arab country where women don't have those rights is Saudi. I still stand by what I said. Ok, maybe Yemen is more conservative, that's debatable.
Wangja, since you have lived there, what do you think? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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The main problem with this forum is that nobody, ever, clicks on the supporting links.
And if we simply pasted them ,we'd be banned. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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i've now read it. what contradicts what I said before?? I never said womens' rights have not improved there or anything like that. I was just saying it is very conservative to begin with, and after reading your link, it sounds like they've caught up to their "sisters" in other arab countries. |
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