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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: 14 Marines were just blown up |
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
The Cowards blew 14 of my brothers to their Maker. It's when I read stuff like this that I wish I was still in the Marines so I could go on some raids and take out these evil terrorist cowards. I must check
http://www.militarycity.com/valor/honor.html
again to see if I know any of them. I don't know how they are going to solve this problem. Perhaps only another ruthless dictator can settle this country. But, that of course would mean forgetting about correctly identifying the opposition forces (as they do now) and just suppressing any and everybody who could possibly disagree with you (what goes on in North Korea now). Maybe if they could bring back the Spanish Inquisition from the Middle ages � that sure took care of the Moors. No no bad joke- that level of cruelty is about the same as Saddam's. Still they need to be more proactive somehow - while still not becoming tyrannical and evil like the past. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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If you feel so strongly, maybe you could re-enlist and teach those a lesson.
How dare they attack they attack the invaders.
I feel for the persons who lost their lives and for their families, however your anger seems a little misguided, as it was your leader and many of your voters who supperted this war, and this is just a price you have to pay. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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supernick wrote: |
How dare they attack they attack the invaders. |
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A Marine officer, speaking on condition of anonymity for security reasons, said the attack occurred as troops were traveling in an armored amphibious vehicle to assault insurgent positions around a village near the Haditha dam, a longtime way station for foreign fighters infiltrating Iraq from Syria. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Noway am I going to go back in... ahh I'm to old for that sit around and wait stuff. Ummm I just feel bad cause peole are so dumb they could have a great country with all that oil money they could make, but instead they just go and attack the "invaders" because they want to set up some kind of crazy cut-off-your-hand Islam state. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: |
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It's been a bad couple of days for Ohio. 6 on Tuesday and 14 on Wednesday. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Noway am I going to go back in... ahh I'm to old for that sit around and wait stuff. Ummm I just feel bad cause peole are so dumb they could have a great country with all that oil money they could make, but instead they just go and attack the "invaders" because they want to set up some kind of crazy cut-off-your-hand Islam state. |
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There really does seem to be a bunch of silly sods over there. I doubt if any of the Iraqis will ever have control over their oil revenue, at least not in the life span of those now living.
I would not go so far as to say that foreign nationals are invaders. They have come to support Iraqis who are not at all pleased about the current events in Iraq. I only wish that Syria and Iran would get together and install their own provisional government in Iraq, provide arms and uniforms for all those who want to enlist and let them fight it out. Why should only one side be funded?
The real invaders are the ones that brought false claims and started the bombing. Invading and coming to the defence of someone are two very different things. But I would prefer to go along with the article where it used the word infiltrating as that is not the same as invading.
I did hear today that the U.S. will start to issue 10 year bonds again, as the U.S. is in a bit of a pinch with all the costs of war. With less change in their pockets, support for the war will continue to fall.
I really do hope that some peace can come to the Iraqis soon, but what real examples do the have to model? Saddam ruled with might and fear, and then they were invaded by a few nations who didn't have the facts in order. Is still debatable if the war was legal, but most we agree that it lacked legitimacy.
For those who are serving in Iraq and think that they are there defending America from another 9-11 need to give their heads a shake. I still hear those justifications, but they are really very hollow. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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wah cry me a river they are SOLDIERS. Soldiers job is to put his life on the line. Sorry I don't feel no pity for any soldier its their job. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that soldiers were people.
Doing a job.
Probably not too keen to be there.
Step back from realpolitik for a moment and try thinking of them as people rather than cannon-fodder some time, Metternich. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Don't want to be distatseful or anything, but I have seen the video of this particular attack released by the insurgents-and several others including the carbombings from the past month. gruesome stuff.
nowadays when claiming responsibility, they video the ambush and release the footage to the press not only to back up their claim but spread more terror I guess.
i won't post the actual links to that, but instead- here are a lot of Muslim extremists talking about why they fight etc. As you see, insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kosovo etc were drawn from all over- including many british, American and even Australian muslims.
http://www.islamic-news.co.uk/
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rok_the-boat

Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Something tells me, if they did not release it - we would not hear about it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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When suicide bombers kill civilians they are called cowards and rightly so. When one of them can take out 14 marines he's just fighting back as best he can. Were you for the invasion? If so, perhaps before you backed it you should have considered the possibility that 2 1/2 years after the invasion started the invaders would still be facing attacks?
BTW, who's a bigger coward, someone who sacrifices his own life killing enemy soldiers, or someone who sits back and presses a button, well out of harm's way, killing enemy soldiers? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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BTW, who's a bigger coward, someone who sacrifices his own life killing enemy soldiers, or someone who sits back and presses a button, well out of harm's way, killing enemy soldiers? |
It's not just about methods of fighting, but about what they're fighting for. And it's just plain naive to think the resistance is simply fighting to free Iraq from the invaders. |
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The Great Toad
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Well I shall only in reply have my role-model who though maybe not quite as fearsomely unmatched as me in the profession of the military was in fact perhaps truly braver...
http://www.online-literature.com/cervantes/don_quixote/42/
Happy the blest ages that knew not the dread fury of those
devilish engines of artillery, whose inventor I am persuaded is in
hell receiving the reward of his diabolical invention, by which he
made it easy for a base and cowardly arm to take the life of a gallant
gentleman; and that, when he knows not how or whence, in the height of
the ardour and enthusiasm that fire and animate brave hearts, there
should come some random bullet, discharged perhaps by one who fled
in terror at the flash when he fired off his accursed machine, which
in an instant puts an end to the projects and cuts off the life of one
who deserved to live for ages to come. And thus when I reflect on
this, I am almost tempted to say that in my heart I repent of having
adopted this profession of knight-errant in so detestable an age as we
live in now; for though no peril can make me fear, still it gives me
some uneasiness to think that powder and lead may rob me of the
opportunity of making myself famous and renowned throughout the
known earth by the might of my arm and the edge of my sword. But
Heaven's will be done; if I succeed in my attempt I shall be all the
more honoured, as I have faced greater dangers than the knights-errant
of yore exposed themselves to."
But I call them cowards as in many cases they kill unarmed men and civilians who happen to be in the area of their bomb. Admittedly some stray bombs have slain Iraqi civilians; however, this was not the target of the Chair Force eerr Air Force (Death from Above - or recon u laz it and we raze it) Anyhow ahh the Airforce does not try to kill civilians, but the terrorist knownly frag civilian workers and slay children who happen to be in the area of say a funeral or police office. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:34 am Post subject: |
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supernick wrote: |
If you feel so strongly, maybe you could re-enlist and teach those a lesson.
How dare they attack they attack the invaders.
I feel for the persons who lost their lives and for their families, however your anger seems a little misguided, as it was your leader and many of your voters who supperted this war, and this is just a price you have to pay. |
Tell me something. Would you apply this same logic to the recent attacks in London? After it "was [their] leader and many of [their] voters who supported this war.."
Is this just a price they have to pay as well? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Actually the insurgents are deliberately attacking iraqi civilians. Its not accidental (as in the case of the U.S forces). Seems pretty cowardly to me:)
Insurgency continues targeting civilians
The fighters doing battle with U.S. troops have made up a new set of deadly rules with Iraqis as victims
BY MOHAMAD BAZZI
MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT August 5, 2005
"These so-called freedom fighters are terrorizing the Iraqi people. They are killing many more civilians than American soldiers," said Ali Abdel Ameer, an Iraqi writer and political activist. "They will never have a large following because most Iraqis find their actions abhorrent."
Since a renewed wave of violence in early April, insurgents have killed more than 2,700 Iraqis, according to the Iraqi Defense Ministry. Half of those killed were civilians, and the rest were members or recruits of the country's security forces.
Even the bloodiest rebellions of modern times did not target civilians the way the insurgents have in Iraq
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-worebe0805,0,501541.story?coll=ny-homepage-bigpix2005
Iraq Puts Civilian Toll at 12,000
Insurgency Claiming About 20 People a Day
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, June 3, 2005; Page A01
BAGHDAD, June 2 -- Insurgent violence has claimed the lives of 12,000 Iraqis over the past 18 months, Interior Minister Bayan Jabr said Thursday, giving the first official count for the largest category of victims of bombings, ambushes and other increasingly deadly attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/02/AR2005060201098.html |
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