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jajdude
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| I think I was frustrated expecting a student to put two and two together. Right after practicing the question and answer(s) a few times, I ask a student directly. His inability to reply just made me think he must be dumb. But I know that may not be the case. He just was freaked out. The boss says I need to speak more in classes. But I don't know how to speak more and be effective when they do not understand this kind of stuff. It's like telling the boss to speak to a bunch of foreigners in his language! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Why should that foreigner be put in a class with students who are very basic? No translation. Some argue the immersion idea. Some say translation helps. But foreigners are not there to translate. Korean teachers do that.
It feels like a waste to teach kids phonics, or to teach "This is an apple, that is an orange," when Koreans with some English can easily cover that.
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Repeated exposure to comprehensible, authentic input. It can be useful to think of language teaching as what it really is: teaching communication. Spoken language is a small part of communication.... say 30 to 40 percent. Also, all that language/communicating you do that is not "the lesson" is perhaps more valuable to the students than the "lesson" is. Thus, why would there be any benefit to not having a native speaker?
A little creativity goes a long way m'thinks. A lot of creativity goes farther.
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Having thought more about the matter and reading the replies I realize actually it is good for native speakers to teach beginners, if one can have a good class with them. I've had some kids improve a lot, and others not much at all. Par for the course I guess. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I think I was frustrated expecting a student to put two and two together. Right after practicing the question and answer(s) a few times, I ask a student directly. |
Can you describe your process in detail? If so, we can make some observations and suggestions to modify your approach. |
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deessell
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You need to model the sentence themn give them lots of controlled practise. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| deessell wrote: |
| You need to model the sentence themn give them lots of controlled practise. |
This response is a little too simplistic to really be useful to new or inexperienced teachers. Model how? Introduce the language how? Any pre-teaching at all? Use visuals? Etc., etc.... And what comes after the guided practice? |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Please EFL trainer enlighten all us poor teachers how to do a better job.
Seriously, I suck and i know a lot of other people here do too. We need your wisdom. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Please EFL trainer enlighten all us poor teachers how to do a better job.
Seriously, I suck and i know a lot of other people here do too. We need your wisdom. |
Sorry, didn't mean to insult anyone, just hoping to get some detailed responses.  It's possible to make teaching an extremely simplistic activity, but I'd prefer not to. I asked for some detail about how the conversation class is being done so I or others could make some direct recommendations. There are a million ways to teach anything, but not all of them ar equally effective. In giving feedback, it is mostly likely to be useful to the teacher if it can be specific to that teacher's process. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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No insult taken. I really would like to be a better teacher. I think I am average at best.
And sorry my above post was not well-worded and perhaps inappropriate for this forum. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Should native speakers teach beginners? |
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| Do you think native speakers should teach beginners? |
I teach a lot of beginners. If you grade your language and have a lesson plan, it can be a lot of fun, and they don't cling to you like some intermediate students for freebees after class. |
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