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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Damned straight!
Get everyone back to Jesus and society's problems will disappear. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Damned straight!
Get everyone back to Jesus and society's problems will disappear. |
Why not? The ten commandments made for a strong society. All countries that adopted the light of the world become strong, stable, and prosperous as a result.
You cannot deny that christianity was a major factor in establishing the freedoms and advanced civilisation of the west.
Since when did common respect, decency, care for the less fortunate, responsibility to others, etc etc become old hat? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Since when did common respect, decency, care for the less fortunate, responsibility to others, etc etc become old hat? |
Not surprising that you can whitewash Christianity so easily. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| Since when did common respect, decency, care for the less fortunate, responsibility to others, etc etc become old hat? |
Not surprising that you can whitewash Christianity so easily. |
as usual, you never tackle the points i raise..~
The freedoms you take for granted are directly or indirectly a result of christian morality in action. "in god we trust".."god save the queen".."thou shalt not steal, kill, etc etc charity, forgiveness, hard work,consideration for others,fair play, justice, equality,honesty, faithfulness.... ring any bells?? Where do you think those ideals came from i wonder? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| Rapier, you are so funny sometimes. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Since when did common respect, decency, care for the less fortunate, responsibility to others, etc etc become old hat? |
Not surprising that you can whitewash Christianity so easily. |
Careful, them's fightin' words.
Even though I like my drink, I've talked to one or two muslims. I also like coffee, just as much as I like my beer, and it turns out they do, too, and the kind they brew kicks ass much better than Starbucks will ever pour you.
I never heard a one o' them try to tear down all of Christianity by reference to The Inquisitisition, The Salem Witch Trials, or some whacko who very-much-too-easily managed to buy a gun and try it out in front of an abortion clinic as a doctor was getting out of his car rather than going to a firing range like the rest of us sane people would do ... most of the ones I have met have a few too many brain cells to try that out on me. And it would seem they had some respect for mine also.
Might be they have more respect for the brain cells I possess than some of the people who come around here, and DO in fact try and convict the entire faith of Islam for the idiocy of extremism that exists at its outer edges.
This is a quiet and sincere request for the same kind of respect for my brain cells that has been shown to me by some those who some of you you have mindlessly labeled "The Enemy."
Hope you have time in your day for just a little of it.
A lot about Islam I don't like - they can have it, and I don't want it. Most of those who leave to come to our shores didn't like it much, very likely. Most of us who left Europe to come to N America didn't like the religious and political persecution going on there at the time.
Having said that, Europe got better later on. Indications at the moment make it seem like it might be going the other way ... just a notion. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| I never heard a one o' them try to tear down all of Christianity by reference to The Inquisitisition, The Salem Witch Trials, or some whacko who very-much-too-easily managed to buy a gun and try it out in front of an abortion clinic as a doctor was getting out of his car |
How many abortion doctors have been killed by Christian extremists, and how many Christian clergy have sought to justify such acts?
How many people have been killed by Islamic extremists, and how many Islamic clerics have sought to justify such acts?
Perhaps when you honestly answer these questions you may realise how preposterous such a comparison is. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| Since when did common respect, decency, care for the less fortunate, responsibility to others, etc etc become old hat? |
Not surprising that you can whitewash Christianity so easily. |
as usual, you never tackle the points i raise..~
The freedoms you take for granted are directly or indirectly a result of christian morality in action. |
There is a theory that the originally European anomaly called "liberty" comes from the competition between the religious power structure and the secular kings and emperors. I think it's highly unlikely, rapier, that any "power" would grant people freedom from itself. Instead, people were being pulled in two different directions by two different loyalties, so they had no choice but to make up their own minds in some cases. As far as I'm aware, no powerful king ever voluntarily gave up dominion over his subjects until George Washington. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| I never heard a one o' them try to tear down all of Christianity by reference to The Inquisitisition, The Salem Witch Trials, or some whacko who very-much-too-easily managed to buy a gun and try it out in front of an abortion clinic as a doctor was getting out of his car |
How many abortion doctors have been killed by Christian extremists, and how many Christian clergy have sought to justify such acts?
How many people have been killed by Islamic extremists, and how many Islamic clerics have sought to justify such acts?
Perhaps when you honestly answer these questions you may realise how preposterous such a comparison is. |
Hey, Big Guy, I saw your recent week-long debate with hypnotist that was all about using some polls to dislodge each other claims that argued betwee 200 (his) and 16,000 (yours), and frankly the whole thing bored be, besides being beside the point.
Why beside the point? Because what I said above has NOTHING to do with numbers of people, nothing to do with quantity at all, but rather with the QUALITY of thought being put before us here.
You point to a small number of extremists in a handful of countries - the most recent batch are homegrown, so you can't use the excuse that democracy cures all ills - and you (continually, and with near-fanatical tireless energy, I might add) proclaim such to be the pure undeluted core of what a centuries-old faith is all about. You are a devotee of websites that give you ammunition to cherry-pick the Koran for violence-inducing crap, which is just what the extremists, yes I say extremists, among Islam do to convince people to strap bombs on themselves, and if I'm in the mood I can call up similar websites that not only explain the depth that the out-of-context quotatations are willfully missing, but also provide VERY similar passages from our owhn Christian Bible that exhort things very similar. And after all this mouth-foaming, not much different from the radical fringe muslims you quote and claim as mainstream of that religion - you want argue over numbers. How many here, and how may there.
Frankly, Big Guy, you make me wanna sleep. You spend days arguing with hypnotist over poll numbers - you claimed 1% was significant when it amounted to no more than 7 people, if I recall - and then you come to ME and try the same damn thing? You looked silly the last time, and I don't have time in my day to devote to you.
Once again, I'm talking about the quality of respect for brain cells. I asked for it quietly before. Now I demand it. We all deserve to give each other that. You have very seldom shown anything like it.
To put it clearly : I have yet to hear a muslim man or woman condemn ALL of Christianity for the bigoted and hateful acts of a few who deluded themselves that they were doing the work of Jesus. I have heard EXACTLY this from you and several others around here with your incessant diatribes against the entire religion of Islam.
It's tiresome, and one more time, it disrespects those of us who have a brain cell or two.
Keep on doing it, though ... I love when extremists attack other extremists - just stop trying to present yourself as anything other than that, okay? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| and if I'm in the mood I can call up similar websites that not only explain the depth that the out-of-context quotatations are willfully missing |
Nobody is stopping you. If you have something to add to the debate then by all means, wade in.
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| but also provide VERY similar passages from our owhn Christian Bible that exhort things very similar. |
And once again, how many Christian extremists groups are operating in the world today that use Biblical scripture to justify terrorism. Not many. How many Islamic groups are doing the same. Many hundreds. You see, in this debate, numbers are important. I, and some others on this board, have made the point that Islam is a threat to world peace and that it is far more capable of inspiring violence than other religions. You have provided no compelling evidence to refute this. You bring up abortion doctors, and when someone points out how ludicrous this is, compared to the mass slaughter of global Jihad, you start waffling on about 'respect for braincells'. A neutral observer would simply assume you had no counter-arguments.
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| you claimed 1% was significant when it amounted to no more than 7 people |
And it appears that you also do not understand the concept of an opinion poll.
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| I have yet to hear a muslim man or woman condemn ALL of Christianity for the bigoted and hateful acts of a few who deluded themselves that they were doing the work of Jesus. |
I've yet to hear it either, and for good reason. Because if we are talking about Christianity, it is a few nuts who go around killing abortion doctors and the like. The deaths caused by such groups are minimal. Regarding Islam, we are talking about thousands of terrorist incidents, carried out by a myriad of groups, active in almost all muslim countries (and many infidel ones) that have significant public support, the sanction of senior clerics and the backing of many muslim governments. On that basis, I beleive that Islam represents a threat to the West, to world peace and to human freedom and dignity.
Now let's see you develop an argument, based on evidence and facts, not emotion and rhetoric, to dispute this. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| it's amazing how much a person can hate. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| And when all else fails, unpack the amateur psychology kit. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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I never heard a one o' them try to tear down all of Christianity by reference to The Inquisitisition, The Salem Witch Trials, or some whacko who very-much-too-easily managed to buy a gun and try it out in front of an abortion clinic as a doctor was getting out of his car rather than going to a firing range like the rest of us sane people would do ... most of the ones I have met have a few too many brain cells to try that out on me. And it would seem they had some respect for mine also.
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A search to back you up on that one brought me more that I bargained, for, bloody hell  , not wanting to sidetrack the debate, but this post inspired a search and the second link that comes up under 'kill abortionists' on Yahoo, is here. Horrific, extremist stuff. Our society is doomed if we let any of these extremists, Islamic or Christian have their way.
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| Is killing one abortionist or one hundred abortionists the answer to end abortion legally in America? No but it sure will decrease the killing. |
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| It extends to the unborn. It means we can kill the abortionists to save the unborn who have a right to the same protection of the law and especially what the Creator has given to that unborn. They are equal with us. |
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| It means you have to kill violent people or people that will kill you instead so they can keep on killing babies or others. |
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| Mary Blanks hiding under a hood with sunglasses on. She wears a vest probably. While it does not sound good to say go shoot her between the eyes but then it does not sound good to say let her alone she has a right to do abortions and kill 100 babies a week either. So I am telling you its much better that someone put a piece of lead in her brain so she will be known as an unviable fetus who was a product of her own belief system. Go rent a car and take the license plate off, wear gloves and don't let anyone notice you or tell anyone. I have given you her address. |
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| It is time to overthrow the Supreme Court of the United States and lynch the oppressors of this court and all courts of the land that will dictate death to the unborn. |
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| DEATH TO YOU SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, DEATH TO YOUR POLLUTED OFFSPRING. You shall surely die I tell you that, your days are limited, tick tick tick when you watch your last 60 Minutes. |
http://www.expositionphiladelphia.net/
Tell me again about those Christian values?
Rhetorical question, as you were. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Our society is doomed if we let any of these extremists, Islamic or Christian have their way. |
But which, at this moment in history, represent a greater threat to our society? A handful of Christian extremists responsible for a handful of deaths, or a global movement of Islamic terrorists that has killed thousands? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| Our society is doomed if we let any of these extremists, Islamic or Christian have their way. |
But which, at this moment in history, represent a greater threat to our society? A handful of Christian extremists responsible for a handful of deaths, or a global movement of Islamic terrorists that has killed thousands? |
Chuck 'em all in the same box full of wannkahs and throw away the key mate, there's no room for these nomarks in my new world, none of 'em, but just as I don't associate the above freak with my churchgoing grandmother, I also don't associate these bomb obsessed clowns with every muslim on the planet either.
I'm a big Kuros fan, and I'm going to nick his signature for a second.
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| God has become an idol by which man worships his own will. That is what we see in the martyr ideology of the terrorists -Pope Benedict XVI |
Joo Ripp, pretty conservative guy, will tell you this isn't to do with Islam. It's to do with power, oil, jealousy, elitism - spirituality is very low on the list. |
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