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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:34 am Post subject: The logic behind South Korea's big embrace of NK's Nukes |
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from the August 10, 2005 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0810/p09s01-coop.html
The logic behind South Korea's big embrace of North Korea nukes
By Won Joon Choe and Jack Kim
NEW YORK AND TORONTO - From the Bush administration perspective, South Korea's nonchalance about the North Korean nukes borders on madness. The totalitarian regime in Pyongyang is about as evil as they come, and much of its malice is directed at South Korea. North Korea has even threatened to turn Seoul into a nuclear "sea of fire."
But there is actually an internal logic to the South Korean position: Not only does South Korea not fear the North Korean nukes; it seemingly welcomes them with open arms.
In Seoul's long-term calculus, the North Korean bomb is the "Korean bomb," which will benefit Seoul after eventual reunification. Such a quixotic view is epitomized by South Korean popular culture. A quasi- fascist novel about the two Koreas collaborating on developing nukes and using them to bully Japan has sold more than 5 million copies since its publication in 1994.
In order to obtain Seoul's cooperation in resolving the North Korea nuclear crisis, the Bush administration must understand South Korea's worrisome position - and the public support it enjoys - on the nuclear issue.
Many South Koreans no longer see North Korea as a threat. Instead of a mortal enemy, North Korea has become transmogrified into a sympathetic brother in the South Korean imagination.
This transmogrification is mainly government-induced. Since the election of the longtime dissident Kim Dae Jung to the presidency in 1997, Seoul has pursued the "Sunshine Policy" - a policy designed to appease Pyongyang's murderous regime through massive economic bribery.
To sell this policy to a skeptical electorate, Kim spearheaded a comprehensive propaganda campaign to reconstruct the South's image of the North. This campaign included government censorship and intimidation of those who would criticize North Korea. As a result of this ongoing campaign, South Koreans are now increasingly kept in the dark about the true nature of Pyongyang's gulag state.
Even more troubling, however, is Seoul's belief that it may actually benefit from the North Korean nukes. This view is based on two premises:
First, Seoul believes nukes will one day guarantee security for a unified Korea and thereby free it from its traditional dependence on foreign powers. This desire to achieve a self-sufficient security posture was behind Park Chung Hee's US-aborted drive to develop a bomb in the 1970s. It may have also contributed to the recently revealed secret nuclear experiments that "rogue" South Korean scientists undertook as late as in 2000, which has been hushed by Washington to avoid friction with Seoul.
Second, Seoul believes going nuclear would confer it the international prestige that it feels the country deserves for its "miracle" economy but has yet to obtain. Such intangibles loom large in the minds of the fiercely nationalistic Koreans.
Meanwhile, the North Korean nuclear crisis may assist South Korea's nuclear ambitions in the short term even if there is no reunification and Seoul doesn't gain possession of Pyongyang's nukes. A nuclear Pyongyang has already dramatically increased the pressure on Tokyo - which has also been threatened with the "sea of fire" rhetoric - to go nuclear. The nuclearization of its historic enemy will then make it easier for Seoul to justify the development of its own nukes.
These differences between Washington and Seoul regarding Pyongyang's nukes will continue to frustrate the Bush administration's attempt to resolve the North Korean nuclear crisis. While it is unlikely that Pyongyang would give up its nukes without a credible threat of military action, the current leftist government in Seoul, headed by Kim Dae Jung's successor Roh Moo Hyun, would never back a military solution. Given that Seoul bankrolls Pyongyang, it would also be difficult for the US to impose workable economic sanctions. Even the Chinese, whose influence the Bush administration has come to rely on as the last best hope, have complained that Seoul's appeasement emboldens Pyongyang and renders it less amenable to Beijing's pressure.
Washington must therefore disabuse South Koreans of their twin fantasy of North Korean benevolence and the utility of possessing nuclear arms.
This means, in the first place, Seoul's propaganda that North Korea is benign must be countered. The South Korean public must be made to see North Korea for what it is: an evil, totalitarian regime that murders its own people and even today threatens to communize the South.
Second, South Korea must be reminded of the grave costs of pursuing the nuclear option for itself. In fact, the Bush administration lost a golden opportunity to do so when it failed to refer South Korea to the UN Security Council when the "rogue" nuclear experiments were exposed last summer. That failure revealed that the Bush administration was suffering from a fantasy of its own that the leftist government in Seoul would reciprocate Washington's goodwill with a more cooperative approach regarding North Korea.
The stakes are high for Washington in South Korea. Failure to change the South Korean view about North Korea's nukes will not only perpetuate paralysis of the Bush administration's North Korea policy, it will also raise the specter of East Asia engulfed in a nuclear arms race.
• Won Joon Choe is a citizen of South Korea and writes frequently about Korean politics. Jack Kim is a student at York University's Osgoode Hall Law School. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: ... |
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A few points:
1. I think it's fair game to believe that, if India and Pakistan had clandestine nuke programs, SK and Japan do have them.Given this, I doubt it's about the South trying to get what is probably seriously third-world nuke designs.
2. If KJI does use a nuke, I think it's pretty debatable whether he'd choose to hit the South. I think he'd like to control the South, not destroy it. He doesn't want to control Japan and we know the history... As such, I'm not so sure it's really a "dear brother" thing. It may be more of an "I don't think those weapons have our name on them" thing.
3. As for US-SK relations, Bush now wants cooperation. His 2000 attitude was not one of cooperation. It was "piss on the Sunshine policy". I am aware of the secret payments involved in this program, but it brought very popular unification sentiment among people here, the best relations in a long time, and was abruptly quashed by a belligerant know-nothing coming to power in the US. I think SK's attitude is that this brings more results than Bush militancy.
4. At this point, you yourself Joo, have stated that you think NK already has WMD. If the North already has WMD, then talks of disarmament seem a bit too late. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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This transmogrification is mainly government-induced. |
This is over-stated. I heard exactly the same kind of rhetoric back in '94 and '95 from university students as you hear now. It's essentially Nork propaganda. It's just that now the governing party appears to have bought it.
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While it is unlikely that Pyongyang would give up its nukes |
Christopher Hill, the US delegate to the talks was on TV last night for an extended interview. It is his view that the Norks do seem serious about giving up the nukes if the price is right. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: |
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As for US-SK relations, Bush now wants cooperation. His 2000 attitude was not one of cooperation. It was "piss on the Sunshine policy". I am aware of the secret payments involved in this program, but it brought very popular unification sentiment among people here, the best relations in a long time, and was abruptly quashed by a belligerant know-nothing coming to power in the US. I think SK's attitude is that this brings more results than Bush militancy. |
I basically agree with you.
Bush came in talking tough about N Korea , if you are going to talk tough either do it or don't talk tough.
His rhetoric really aggravated the situation for no reason.
However there is one big problem with the Sunshine policy - it does not make any requirement that North Korea improve its human rights policy.
I don't think it is right to just buy off NK w/o making them improve their human rights record.
Any deal on NK ' nuclear program needs to address NK's human rights record.
But No Moo Hyun has decided that he will be silent on the topic in order not to upset Kim Jong Il. That is why No Moo Hyun is an appeaser. |
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Nowhere Man

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:37 am Post subject: ... |
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I really don't know enough about Roh to say much except that, if he ran on the US leaving Korea, he should've followed through.
Not that I really want USFK to leave Korea while I'm here, but I do believe that was his platform.
But, with regard to NK and WMD, you and I at one point (inadvertantly)agreed that they have WMD.
What talks were ever held to successfully held to disarm a country with nukes?
If they don't have a bomb, they fer sure have a dirty bomb.
There is huge support for the Koreas reuniting.
Let them reunite. Then we'll sort out the nukes.
The US did not reunite the Germanys.
Let the Koreans handle this.
If you do agree with me that far, then you'll agree this article is extremely lop-sided. Let Bush help it out?
Piss on the sunshine policy.
Axis of evil?
Bush diplomacy?
Santa Claus. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Noh at one time wanted US forces to leave but when he ran for president he said he had changed his position and now supported the presence of US forces in Korea. |
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Nowhere Man

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:24 am Post subject: ... |
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Yes. I acknowledge that.
So, why no follow through?
Not that I necessarily support it, but I do believe he was elected on the premise.
As long as I'm here, I'd prefer USFK to stay.
That's a selfish reason, though.
You think they should leave, right? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I really don't know enough about Roh to say much except that, if he ran on the US leaving Korea, he should've followed through.
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Noh at one time wanted US forces to leave but when he ran for president he said he had changed his position and now supported the presence of US forces in Korea. |
As I recall, Roh's campaign trail anti-Americanism consisted of ambiguous statements which were deliberately left open to interpretation.
For example, when the GNP complained about anti-American protests, Roh replied "what's wrong with anti-American protests?" Of course, that could just mean "everyone has the right to free speech", but nationalist college kids, eager to imagine they had some grand influence in the corridors of power, were meant to interpret it as "I support the goals of the protestors". And when Roh made the rather prosaic boast that he had never visited the USA, it was to be understood by the nationalists as a stinging rebuke to American foreign policy.
Plus of course, he latched himself onto the martyred schoolgirls, though I doubt he ever called for anything more radical than a revision of the SOFA.
The whole thing, I suspect, was a rather cynical play to the political unsophistication of college kids. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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