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EFLtrainer
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| Gopher wrote: |
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| As a young xtian, i found it totally fascinating and i continue to do so. Do i give it creedence? You betcha. Do i give creation creedence? you betcha. |
I think that all provable things ultimately come down to unprovable assumptions, and it's hard to imagine a random Z-particle beginning-of-the-universe with no relation to a higher power. So yeah, I don't think we should rule out religious beliefs. I do like how you are able to accept both of these things and not feel compelled to choose.
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| I think to keep evolution FROM kids is doing them a REAL disservice and to put creationism in a SCIENCE classroom is wrong. |
This is the point, and this is one of the reasons Bush is such a dangerous leader. He can't see this. He is consumed by his ideology and can not see this point.
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| That said, I think that there SHOULD be religious studies classes mandatory for every student (though not ONLY xtianity). |
I was surprised to discover that the religious classes at the high school where I worked in Chile involved some comparative readings on Islam and other religions. Still a problematic thing to hold a class on, but they did not mix science and religion there, indeed, they kept them strictly separate. |
As an American it is REALLY simple, which makes Bush a complete imbecile. He wants to fill the Supreme Court with strict constructionists, which means he wants them to interpret the Constitution literally, but he advocates creationsim. What an absolute idiot. How can he not see the contradiction? Um, sorry, stupid question... You see the same thing with sex education: don't do that!! It's immoral! Sorry, school is not for morality. That's what parents and churches, etc., are for. So, if the rationale for NOT teaching sex ed is that it doesn't belong in schools on moral grounds and personal privacy issues, how is teaching a christian view of the beginning of mankind acceptable?
Rationality, me dear friends, is not at work here. There is a very, very clear separation in the Constitution. It could not be clearer, in fact. However, religion is a subject and there is no reason a comparative religions class should not be taught in schools, BUT teaching in the public schools in a religious context, even for one class, is simply unconstitutional. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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how is teaching a christian view of the beginning of mankind acceptable?
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SURe it's acceptable!!! Just not in a science class.
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| Any talk or class that even touches on religion is going to offend someone, potentially drawing extreme criticism from their parents |
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| Even in the world history class for freshmen I managed as a TA, we had one student who dropped the class because he said our materials (Clendinnen's Ambivalent Conquests, for one) were forcing him to question his faith. |
See? I think that's too bad. Questioning faith, then working through things and strengthening your faith is the absolute BEST thing a Christian can do! Running away anytime someone makes you "think" just shows a weak unwillingness to open your mind.
And don't be so PC gopher!! Who cares if there are one or two people who are offended. That is their problem and their issue (or their parents), ESPECIALLY if this is a simply intro world history class.
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| potentially drawing extreme criticism from their parents. |
i say, that's cool. I think the problem is that schools at times, have stopped teaching what has been proven and bent to what parents want their kids to learn and that is just wrong. I don't advocate any sort of extremist position OR one that is meant to piss parents off, BUT parents who complain on faith based reasons, forget that they base their knowledge on FAITH (ie. unprovable [though beautiful IMO] assumptions) and that content of class is taught on things that ARE provable.
If teachers took the time to help parents to understand the undeniable truth of the curriculum's content, something would come out if it. |
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