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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plattwaz wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:


Well, do I ever feel silly now.

So next question, why do they need a male teacher? (unless it's a housing issue - every other case of gender discrimination in Korea I've heard of was hogwans wanting only women).


Our kindergarten teachers are all females, and we are opening up elementary classes, so the director feels that it's not right to only expose the students to female teachers. She wants to have male teachers around so the boy students can have some "bonding" with a male teacher, and to make sure that we are not staffed ONLY by females. She would have liked to have male kindie teachers as well, but when we were looking for KG teachers, there just didn't seem to be any men out there who wanted to teach such young'uns.

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
In that case, maybe consider hiring the worst male and leaving the best female's CV lying around.

You still don't seem to get it -- WHY would a recruiter PURPOSELY hire the worst teacher they could find? I understand your point about gender discrimination, and the ideal that the best candidate should be hired regardless of any circumstance, but WHY would I purposely hire the worst teacher out there? Not only is that incredibly immature, but it's just plain stupid as well.


That's really interesting - first case I've ever heard of wanting a male teacher instead of females at a hogwon for any reason.

I was mostly joking about the hiring the worst teacher part, though if it were a clear case of sexism I'd be tempted to try it.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my current job they'd wanted a guy but I was told to apply anyway, as it was getting to crunch time and they didn't have any candiate of either gender they considered suitable.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahah...oops. I meant to say one guy I interviewed. I didn't hire the idiot.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every place I've worked at has hired males and females. I have had several supervisors tell they would often rather hire a male than a female as they can often be easier to work with and often aren't as inclined to make outrageous demands. Some female teachers have a real princess syndrome and a massively over inflated view of themselves.

Some -not all- female teachers think they are great teachers just because they are female. I comes down to individuals, males or females can both be great or terrible teachers.
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject: hiring by gender Reply with quote

Yes, some schools would rather hire one sex. Then again, in the USA we do the same thing, but we do not advertise it when we look to hire.

When my son worked in a Health Club (Bally's), they interviewed all who came for an interview. The job was for the front desk position. My son knew in advance who he was looking for. The person had to be fit. He would have hired a person of any age, as long as they were well dressed and looked good. Why? Because when cliebts came to register, they wanted to see some one who looked good working at the front desk.

In Korea, there are many people who look for jobs who would never get hired in any country, yet they seem to get hired here.

Sure lots of jobs here are very bad, but so are some teachers. Plenty of people are treated like crap here also who do not deserve it.

I just left a job that was so awful even I could not believe it. But I left. I only got paid half the money owed to me, but after I get the rest (and I will) I will be happy to tell all the name of that school.

Yes, some schools want to hire a female, some a male, so what? Its like that all over.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
a woman who went on and on for about 5 pages, telling about growing up in a cabin in the back woods of Canada somewhere, so she really appreciated the English language. Very strange.


Gotta love those five-page cvs. I used to translate cvs in Chile for prospective MBA applicants (they wanted to get an MBA from MIT, Harvard, etc.).

I used to get 15-25 pp. resumes that included, among other things, a history of where they went for each and every vacation in their entire lives.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: hiring by gender Reply with quote

teachingld2004 wrote:
so what? Its like that all over.


Not entirely accurate. It is against the law for any employer in the U.S. to openly discriminate based on sex.

It seems to me that Korean hogwons openly discriminate based on sex and it is probably a non-issue with Koreans.

There is a difference between the U.S. and Korea.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP matches (to a tee) the experiences we had at our school when we had to hire 2 new teachers. I ended up on the hiring comitee (there were 3 of us doing the interviews and calling references).
We had much the same experience...

One guy sent his application with a cover letter that said:
"I have been working in Seoul for 2 years and I am better then most if not all of the teachers here. I am an asset to any school. My demands are (these are not negociable): 2.6 or higher, no kindergaten classes (our school offers none!), no split shifts, no involvement in any meetings or workshops."

While some of these demands could have been reasonable, a quick check on his credentials revealed this:

B.A. in Sociology with an avg of C.
4 schools in 2 years in Seoul, none with references or contact information.
No other educational qualifications.
His only reference: his girlfriend.

This was but one example of the many applications we got. It really shed some light onto what the decent recruiters have to sift through!

We ended up hiring a guy and a girl (American guy and British girl) as they were qualified and professional in the way they presented themselves. Also, they had actual references.

They got the job with a pay over 2.5 and have been happy here and made good contributions to the school.

Like the OP, I was flooded with applications from people making big demands with nothing to back this up.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take people's word for it that some places prefer to hire men, but in my personal experience, every time I've been aware of the hiring process, pretty, young women have been at the top of the list.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort of unrelated to the topic, but I must say that I was worried about finding employment when I return home in a few weeks.

Reading this thread gives me courage, because it reminds me how flaky the "competition" can be...
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NearlyKorean



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you kind of missed the point of the story. Qualified or not, male, female or other, applying for a job 16 times after you've been rejected is not the work of a sane individual.



WHAT? Shocked
Sanity is a requirement now? Will the Korean Government stop at nothing?
Embarassed Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad
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