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death from above
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 Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: Is RE-Unification Imminent? |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4150106.stm
i hope so. i think the west/east germany analogy is fairly appropriate..
i realize Korea has a history of absolutism, but how long can the North Korean people endure tyranny under the guise of equality and freedom(aka 20th-century communism) ???
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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The two nations never signed a peace treaty at the end of hostilities in 1953 and remain technically at war.
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I think I'll wait for a peace treaty to be signed before starting speculation on unification.
Mind you, I wouldn't make any predictions one way or another about when a peace treaty will be signed. |
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Wrench
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It seems to me like Asians are subdued easier. Lets look at China how many millions of people did Mao kill? China is still communist. Judging by the history of Asia it has been as troubled or even more troubled then Europe.
Norks are going to stay as Norks untill some one in the west gets fed up with lil Kim. |
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cellphone
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| Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You mean re-unification? I've said this before and I'll say it again -- the South is growing INTO a communist-facism, not away from it. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| It'll happen in 2008 according to a fortune teller a friend of mine goes to. |
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soviet_man
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| but how long can the North Korean people endure tyranny under the guise of equality and freedom(aka 20th-century communism) ??? |
What can be concluded without dispute of fact, is that the DPRK has existed unchallenged as a sovereign entity for a period of five decades. I have always argued that if popular opposition to the KWP truly existed in the DPRK (it doesn't) that KJI and others would have been displaced a long time ago.
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| I think I'll wait for a peace treaty to be signed before starting speculation on unification. |
My view is that the DPRK's ultimate objective is continued co-operation with the ROK, not unification. Such a concept, the unification of two Koreas, would effectively amount to the dissolution of the DPRK in its current form.
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| Lets look at China how many millions of people did Mao kill? China is still communist. |
Some people, in some locations, some of the time, had their former privileges revoked during Mao's leadership and subsequently died. Yes.
HOWEVER, two key points: more than 60 million people in China today are still members of the Chinese Communist Party and have an overwhelmingly positive assessment of Mao's leadership.
Secondly, that the history of the past 100 years in China, is no more brutal than it was in other earlier centuries in Chinese history.
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| Judging by the history of Asia it has been as troubled or even more troubled then Europe. Norks are going to stay as Norks untill some one in the west gets fed up with lil Kim. |
The one aspect NOT to underestimate, is the passion and ideological dedication that millions of DPRK citizens have acquired over the course of their lifetime. There would be many who would rather die defending the DPRK, than be forced into capture or defeat. |
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Wishmaster
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Ha-ha. Unification...imminent. Not going to happen. Can you imagine the financial integrity of the country after it is melded. Huge financial problems. How about ideologies? Definitely some civil war material there. I just can't imagine the pampered South Koreans wanting to give up their comforts for their Northern brethren. Sure, they like to be passsionate about it...they like to puff their chests up...but when push comes to shove, they back down...THAT is the core of being Korean. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: |
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HOWEVER, two key points: more than 60 million people in China today are still members of the Chinese Communist Party and have an overwhelmingly positive assessment of Mao's leadership.
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Yeah, but the USSR's Communist Party, from Khruschev on, had a pretty negative assessment of Mao's leadership(and it certainly didn't improve after Mao shook hands with Nixon). Which Communist party did you say you were a member of, again? |
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rapier
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I Hope that reunification is at least 20 years away.
I suspect that we may see it before then though.
Such a process should be gradual, not overnight. If you want a successful reunification, certain things should be in place:
1)an improved economy and more liberal regime in the North.
2)A definite plan to protect the DMZ as a reserve of biodiversity. |
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peppermint
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I've heard lots of Koreans say they don't want reunification. Historically theres' always been marked differences and struggles between the people of the Northern part of the peninsula and the Southern, now the ROK is highly Westernized and wealthy, and the people of the DPRK aren't.
Do you really think the elite of Apgujeong and Gangnam are going to open their arms to a bunch of dirt poor, uneducated and (gasp!) unsophisticated people, just because they're "one blood"? They certainly haven't done so for the refugees that managed to escape. |
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Derrek
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I've heard lots of Koreans say they don't want reunification. Historically theres' always been marked differences and struggles between the people of the Northern part of the peninsula and the Southern, now the ROK is highly Westernized and wealthy, and the people of the DPRK aren't.
Do you really think the elite of Apgujeong and Gangnam are going to open their arms to a bunch of dirt poor, uneducated and (gasp!) unsophisticated people, just because they're "one blood"? They certainly haven't done so for the refugees that managed to escape. |
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No, but I do expect them to open the job market up to the men (at very low wages, of course).
And they will DEFINATELY, beyond a shadow of a doubt, open marriage possibilities for poor, yet attractive Northern women. I guarentee that many a SK man are probably salavating at such possiblities. |
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rapier
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And they will DEFINATELY, beyond a shadow of a doubt, open marriage possibilities for poor, yet attractive Northern women. I guarentee that many a SK man are probably salavating at such possiblities. |
Yay!!Ajoshi can continue acting like an outraged chimp almost indefinitely!! |
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pest2
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Is Unification Imminent? |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Is Unification Imminent? |
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| death from above wrote: |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4150106.stm
i hope so. i think the west/east germany analogy is fairly appropriate..
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East and West Germany had it easier because what was stopping them was really only the geostrategic lines of Warsaw pact and NATO during the cold war. When the Soviet block crumbled in 1990, there was nothing to stop the Germans from reunifying except some economic disparity.
In the Korean situation, Geostrategic politics are not as important (but still a factor). Instead, it is a rift of ideology and economy that seperates the 2 countries. Communism of the North is just as suited to Korean culture as the deregulated, corrupt capitalism of the South. (think long and hard about Korean culture and how it might mesh nicely with communism)...
And Koreans are not known for their ability to comprimise...
So, I would predict the 2 will never be unified at all. |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| China is still communist. |
yes, in theory, but in practice it seems like a capitalist absolutism.
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| You mean re-unification? |
yes. I will change the thread name.
interesting comment, but please spell it DEFINITELY.. the root is "finite"!! i'm normally not a spelling fascist, but i see this over and over and you put it in all caps.
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| Instead, it is a rift of ideology and economy that separates the 2 countries. |
just like germany.. also, a liberalizing China(economically anyway, and communism is nothing if not economic) and a strong RoK is analogous to a strong west germany and a liberalizing Russia.. but neither
augurs well for the DPRK. |
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