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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject: Egyptian chemist is no terrorist |
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Egypt is refusing to extradite a guy the British authorities have accused of being of being a "mastermind" of the second batch of London bombings. Seems he is not the right guy.
First, the gunning down of that Brazilian fellow de Menezes, now this.
The punchline is that despite the smears in the press and from the govt, the esteemed Mr Nashar wishes to and surely plans to return to the UK. He likes it there, and that's where his stuff is, as well as, it seems his loyalty to what is best about human civilization ... oh, by the way, he appears to be muslim as well, something I mention because of so many I have frequent these forums who posit that a man such as this one cannot exist.
From The Christian Science Monitor :
Egyptian chemist is no terrorist
Nashar, who spent a year at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, before moving to Leeds, England to complete his PhD, was finally released by Egyptian authorities last Tuesday. He returned to his family home in the working class Cairo neighborhood of Basatin, a patchwork maze of poorly paved streets, barefoot children, and auto mechanics.
In the week since his release, he has set about persuading the world, and especially the British public, that he is not a terrorist.
"The bombers say terrorism is Islamic, and I say, come on, ... according to Islam, in war you're not allowed to kill ladies, old people, children, or even cut down a tree. So do you think it's OK to kill civilians living in their own country?
"Just because the attackers' names are Muslim, this doesn't mean that what they have done is from Islam. Just look at their age. They were teenagers one year or two years ago, and one of them was a convert, so what kind of knowledge do they have to stick something like [the London bombings] to Islam?"
When Nashar was first rumored to be the mastermind behind the July 7 bombings that killed 56 people, many Egyptians hung their heads. It seemed destined to be a mark of shame on a people who, like Muslims across the world, are struggling to disassociate themselves from the handful of terrorists who kill people in the name of Islam. |
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Infoseeker

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Lurking somewhere near Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Come on mate. His name's Nashar. He must be guilty. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Egyptian chemist is no terrorist |
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The Bobster wrote: |
Egypt is refusing to extradite a guy the British authorities have accused of being of being a "mastermind" of the second batch of London bombings. Seems he is not the right guy.
First, the gunning down of that Brazilian fellow de Menezes, now this.
The punchline is that despite the smears in the press and from the govt, the esteemed Mr Nashar wishes to and surely plans to return to the UK. He likes it there, and that's where his stuff is, as well as, it seems his loyalty to what is best about human civilization ... oh, by the way, he appears to be muslim as well, something I mention because of so many I have frequent these forums who posit that a man such as this one cannot exist.
From The Christian Science Monitor :
Egyptian chemist is no terrorist
Nashar, who spent a year at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, before moving to Leeds, England to complete his PhD, was finally released by Egyptian authorities last Tuesday. He returned to his family home in the working class Cairo neighborhood of Basatin, a patchwork maze of poorly paved streets, barefoot children, and auto mechanics.
In the week since his release, he has set about persuading the world, and especially the British public, that he is not a terrorist.
"The bombers say terrorism is Islamic, and I say, come on, ... according to Islam, in war you're not allowed to kill ladies, old people, children, or even cut down a tree. So do you think it's OK to kill civilians living in their own country?
"Just because the attackers' names are Muslim, this doesn't mean that what they have done is from Islam. Just look at their age. They were teenagers one year or two years ago, and one of them was a convert, so what kind of knowledge do they have to stick something like [the London bombings] to Islam?"
When Nashar was first rumored to be the mastermind behind the July 7 bombings that killed 56 people, many Egyptians hung their heads. It seemed destined to be a mark of shame on a people who, like Muslims across the world, are struggling to disassociate themselves from the handful of terrorists who kill people in the name of Islam. |
No one knows if he is the right guy or not. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I feel pressured to accept that Mr. Nashar accounts of things becuase of his skin color. But he's genuinely WRONG here. Agreed?
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They were teenagers one year or two years ago |
So what if they were teenagers a few years ago? So what?
The London Teenage bombers -
Shahzad Tanweer, 22
Hasib Hussain, 18
Mohammed Sidique Khan, 30
Lindsey Germaine - 20's
Yasin Hassan Omar, 24* |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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dulouz wrote: |
So what if they were teenagers a few years ago? So what? |
His only point is that they are not qualified to speak for Islam. He would probably make the same point if they were older but he just wouldn't use their age as part of the argument. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Bobster, what authority does Mr. Nasher have to speak on behalf of Islam? Like the bombers, he's just pretty much a guy on the street corner. Further, why should anyone be beholden to what he has to say? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'd wager 99% of Muslims would agree with him that the terrorists weren't that knowledgable about Islam. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
Well I'd wager 99% of Muslims would agree with him that the terrorists weren't that knowledgable about Islam. |
Like, are Muslims actually forbidden to cut down trees? That one pegs high on the b.s. meter. |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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It's true. The Qu'ran says you can't cut down trees, you can only blow them up with dynamite.
Alfred Nobel was pretty inspired when he read that, and if it wasn't for him all the trees in the middle east would still be standing today. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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dogbert wrote: |
bucheon bum wrote: |
Well I'd wager 99% of Muslims would agree with him that the terrorists weren't that knowledgable about Islam. |
Like, are Muslims actually forbidden to cut down trees? That one pegs high on the b.s. meter. |
so i'm prone to exagerate, what can i say? |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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No, I mean, is that true? I was thinking whoever wrote that probably had a very shaky grasp of Islam. Then again, maybe it's as Bulsajo says. |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a bit lost now. What are you calling BS on? You think they knew a lot about Islam?
I guess my only point was that the Egyptian's response would be like nearly every other Muslim. Is his view valid and true? I don't know. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
I'm a bit lost now. What are you calling BS on? You think they knew a lot about Islam?
I guess my only point was that the Egyptian's response would be like nearly every other Muslim. Is his view valid and true? I don't know. |
The Egyptian dude said that Islam forbids cutting down trees. That sounds like b.s. to me. I'm asking you as you are the local "go to" guy for matters Mohammedan. |
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Bulsajo

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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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"in war you're not allowed to cut down a tree" That's what's setting Dogbert's BS meter off, because it sounds pretty darn flaky. |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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But what if they use God's Rods and some trees are incidentally felled? Would that be OK? We need to get Joo on this thread. |
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