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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hank Scorpio wrote: |
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| Going from a healthy vegan diet to straight McDonald's grease is gonna wreck your body, of course. |
There's no such thing as a "healthy" vegan diet. We are omnivores, deal with it. |
Idiot. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| red dog is right. you are an idiot. all you have to do is look at our ancestors. i defy any of you to name one ancestor of ours, from bacteria to primates, that is not strictly vegetarian. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| red dog is right. you are an idiot. all you have to do is look at our ancestors. i defy any of you to name one ancestor of ours, from bacteria to primates, that is not strictly vegetarian. |
Actually the primate most closely related to man, the chimpanzee, eats a lot of meat. It is omnivorous.
"An important observation that cannot be overlooked is the wide-ranging omnivorousness and the predilection for tremendous variety in chimpanzees' diet, which can include up to 184 species of foods..."
Something I overlooked in this factoid taken from Goodall's The Chimpanzees of Gombe was that 26 out of the 184 items were observed to be eaten only once. Nevertheless, the 158 remaining items still constitute a remarkable variety of food items. That the additional items would still be sought out, on top of an already high level of variety, can be looked at as an interesting indicator of the "opportunistic" nature of chimpanzees in taking advantage of whatever food they can find and utilize. (In other words, as a "model" for the kind of dietary behavior that vegetarians sometimes hold up that humans ought to be compared to, chimps' opportunism suggests they are not particularly constrained by arbitrary food categories in deciding what is appropriate or not to eat.)
http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1h.shtml
Chimpanzee:Food: mainly fruit, but also leaves, buds, flowers, bark, resin, honey, ants, termites; occasionally birds and a variety of mammals, especially monkeys.
The chimpanzee resembles man more closely than any other animal.
http://www.yptenc.org.uk/docs/factsheets/animal_facts/chimpanzee.html
Don't worry endoftheworld, there's always the buy and sell forum. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| oh dear. i stand corrected. we're omnivores. that's a relief. i was worried i wouldn't be able to eat the hamburger i just cooked up. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I think gopher raised some good points (but as a ps...there is nothing overly clever about a smoking camel...).
While i think that every individual IS responsible for their own health, how can they be held solely responsible when straight out lies are told in advertisement every day?
If there would EVER be a big mac commercial that would say, "Well, it's got some meaty stuff, some salad thats limp and tasteless and a tomato to match. The sauce is pretty cool and you can often taste the onions. And don't forget about the rubbery bun. But it's got a lot of salt so it gives the appearance of "good taste. All in all, if you eat too many of these you may be trading in good health for a lack lustre salty deliverance system.......<sung> feel the macdonald's maaaaaggggiiiiiiiiiiiiic
That would be the one thing to bring me back to daddy macs.
chimps are also cannibals right? Do you REALLY wanna be making too many "meat" comparisons in the chimp family? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:51 am Post subject: |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| oh dear. i stand corrected. we're omnivores. that's a relief. i was worried i wouldn't be able to eat the hamburger i just cooked up. |
Feel free to go ahead now, knowing you have canine teeth specially for the purpose of tearing that juicy meat. |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| oh dear. i stand corrected. we're omnivores. that's a relief. i was worried i wouldn't be able to eat the hamburger i just cooked up. |
Feel free to go ahead now, knowing you have canine teeth specially for the purpose of tearing that juicy meat. |
"You can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that required those large canines."
—Renowned anthropologist Dr. Richard Leakey |
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rapier
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:51 am Post subject: |
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All respect to the dear doctor leakey, but he is not perfect.
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We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that required those large canines."
—Renowned anthropologist Dr. Richard Leakey |
Not all carnivores have large canines. You don't require the pearly beauties of a sabre-toothed tiger to be able to eat insects, mice or small mammals.
Chimpanzees don't have huge canines eaither. yet they are perfectly capable of eating other monkeys and eachother.
Not sure what food source he's taking about. I doubt I could rip open a rhino hide, but a human is perfectly able to tear up an assortment of other tough flesh.
Homo sapiens has been able to use tools to help it cut up much larger prey for an awfully long time- as well as use fire to cook and soften prey. Long enough to evolve a need for meat in the human diet. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
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If there would EVER be a big mac commercial that would say, "Well, it's got some meaty stuff, some salad thats limp and tasteless and a tomato to match. The sauce is pretty cool and you can often taste the onions. And don't forget about the rubbery bun. But it's got a lot of salt so it gives the appearance of "good taste. ? |
When did Big Macs get tomatoes?
And, not in response to you khyber to some others on this thread, why am I supposed to base my diet on what chimps eat? Perhaps I should walk around unclothed and fling feces about too. Modern Man's problem is that he does not act enough like animals, eh? |
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buddy bradley
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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When did Big Macs get tomatoes?
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I don't know about Big Macs, but the McQuests (sp?) have tomatoes, and it was the lack of tomatoes that always made me despise McDonalds.
Sadly though, even with tomatoes, Maccies still sucks. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Not omnivores?
What?
There are MILLIONS of people who look at a large, juicy steak and salivate...
(By steak, I mean any meat steak... Pork, Chicken filet, NY Strip, tuna...)
There are THOUSANDS of vegans...
Who is the minority?
Humans are omnivores, like it or not. If humans are not, then why does approximately 40% of all supermarket revenue come from the meat department? |
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buddy bradley
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: |
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A more important question is this:
Why are so many vegans fat? Jesus man, I have yet to meet a skinny veghead. What the hell do they put in that cauliflower? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| buddy bradley wrote: |
A more important question is this:
Why are so many vegans fat? Jesus man, I have yet to meet a skinny veghead. What the hell do they put in that cauliflower? |
Who cares? Thin or fat, healthy or unhealthy, big teeth or small ... none of it really matters unless Hank can support his statement, and the fact is that he simply can't. He's the nutritional equivalent of a Flat-Earth Society champion.
http://www.animalconcerns.org/external.html?www=http%3A//www.prleap.com/pr/12733/&itemid=200508170710310.977103 |
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Hank Scorpio
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
| none of it really matters unless Hank can support his statement, and the fact is that he simply can't. He's the nutritional equivalent of a Flat-Earth Society champion. |
Yeah, I'm a complete quack. I mean, all I have is biology, anatomy, and millenia worth of primate evolutionary history backing me up. What's that in the face of vegan propaganda?
Humans are omnivores. The order of mammals that includes humans (the primates) are all omnivores. To be sure, the modern American diet includes a lot more meat than is healthy. And the human animal can be very healthy by being a lot more vegetarian. But to never eat meat is both unnatural and unhealthy.
--Thomas M. Greiner, Assistant Professor of Anatomy / Physical Anthropology--
You can read the entire thing here, and hell, while you're at it why not actually try to understand the topics you speak about rather than regurgitating the nonsense some pale, weakened vegan tool spurts out to you? You know, just to shake things up a little bit. |
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