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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: Should Bonfrere be fired? |
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| Anyone disagree with the general public that national soccer coach Jo Bonfrere has to go? Worldsoccernews.com says his chief crime is that he is not Guus Hiddink. |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| He shouldn't be fired.. He's done a decent enough job.. it's not his fault his strikers can't finish consistently.. they're certainly getting their chances... |
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bossaco
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: jongro-gu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| fans are impatient... |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Because the Korea national team is back to their old selves? The team has had a history of inconsitency, so criticism shouldn't be focused solely on the coach.
Besides, changing the coach won't help. I wouldn't hold my breath for the South Korean team to advance very far in the next World Cup. Besides having home advantage, they also had some of the worst calls in World Cup history made at their advantage. Referees will be weary of making mistakes next time around. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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its not his fault its the players!!!
but korea should just chill.. there star players are not playing for the national team now..
they will all come back for the worldcup.. then we will see goals from south korea.. |
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animalbirdfish
Joined: 04 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember when people were calling for Guus Hiddink to be fired. Then he took his team to the quarterfinals in the World Cup. Now he's a national hero, right under Admiral Yi and Kim Jong-il. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Location: Ancient Greece
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Actually he took them to the semi-finals at the last world cup. Anyway I hope Korea crash and burn at the next world cup finals since they cheated their way through the last one. Especially in the games against Italy and Spain. Could Fifa have picked worst referees?? or was that intentional....? 
I wouldn't be surprised if the Koreans paid off Sepp Blatter, the head of Fifa. He's as bent as a five bob note. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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if anyone's going to pay off the head of FIFA, wouldn't it be the nations who are considerably richer?
Do you honestly think someone from the korean football association called up someone at FIFA and said "Look, we know we're not very good so is there any chance you could tell all the referees to make a few key decisions go our way? Here's a suitcase full of cash"
It's ludicrous.
I don't doubt that some of those dodgy decisions might have gone the other way if the matches were played in empty stadiums, but referees are human and massive crowd support probably does sway them sometimes. Doesn't mean they 'cheated' or that any money changed hands. |
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plato's republic
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Well let me remind you that the referee of the Korea vs. Italy game was banned from refereeing in his own country (Ecuador) a few months after the world cup ended on charges of corruption. Now what does that tell you? It's very easy to bribe officials these days, just look at the Olympics. Home advantage certainly helped Korea but other factors may have played a part too....do not discount it.
Korea did well to get to the semi-finals but I doubt they'll ever do it again. |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I also forgot to mention that no host nation of a world cup tournament has ever failed to get past the first round, so how would it have looked if Korea were knocked out of their own world cup in the early stages? Not too good methinks.
It's history now I guess. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| plato's republic wrote: |
I also forgot to mention that no host nation of a world cup tournament has ever failed to get past the first round, so how would it have looked if Korea were knocked out of their own world cup in the early stages? Not too good methinks.
It's history now I guess. |
Doesn't that back up my argument though?
Didn't know about the Ecuadorian ref, that is kind of shady- but I still think on the whole you're being a bit too conspiracy theory-y (and yes that is a word). |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
if anyone's going to pay off the head of FIFA, wouldn't it be the nations who are considerably richer?
Do you honestly think someone from the korean football association called up someone at FIFA and said "Look, we know we're not very good so is there any chance you could tell all the referees to make a few key decisions go our way? Here's a suitcase full of cash"
It's ludicrous.
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yes look at the exposure it did for korea! now hyundae is the leading sponsor for fifa, also korea managed to win the bid for the soccer worldcup.. smaller countries like brazil, chile, argentina havent had a world cup for a long but have been in the games since the beggining!
of course korea bought there place!!
also fifa needed korea to advance into the finals.. otherwise the games would have been empty! you dont think there is a coincedence that korea managed to make it all the way to the last game held in korea!!
MONEY TALKS!! |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Four Out of Top 10 Soccer Wrong Referee Decisions Linked With Korea
NOVEMBER 02, 2004 23:26
by Sung-Kyu Kim ([email protected])
FIFA published a DVD that critically undermined the myth of the Korean soccer team`s advancement into the semifinals. FIFA selected the top 10 wrong referee decisions in the 100-year history of the World Cup in its recently released DVD publication, "FIFA Fever," (Picture, 2 DVDs). However, four out of 10 cases are related to the 2002 FIFA World Cup held in Korea and Japan.
The DVD title published as a limited edition by FIFA along with a pictorial book, "The FIFA 100," in celebration of its 100th birthday will be permanently kept by FIFA. The DVD title will also be exhibited and screened from this month until May next year at the Olympic Park in Rosen, Switzerland.
According to the DVD publication, the top six to nine listings are all linked to matches involving the Korean team. The sixth is an offsides call on an overtime goal by Damiano Tommasi in a Korea versus Italy match. Also, it occurred at the same match where Francesco Totti`s was ejected after receiving a second yellow card for a simulation action when he went down after being hit by a defensive man in the box while driving. The eighth is a defensive foul call when Fernando Morientes made a goal with a header. The ninth is disallowing Morientes header, which he successfully capitalized on Joaquin Sanchez`s cross pass, on a questionable call that ruled the ball had crossed the end line. That also occurred at the same match.
Responses of foreign media dramatically differed on the four cases. For instance, BBC and ESPN broadcast the decisions as fair while The Washington Post and Russian Internet paper Gazeta claimed they were obviously wrong calls.
The problem is, however, that FIFA used such media releases as its official records. Moreover, as Korea was involved in four of the incidents that occurred in the matches with Italy and Spain, which were critical for the Korean team in advancing to the semifinals, it is sufficient for people to have an impression that an organizational conspiracy was behind the matches. On this regard, former FIFA president Joseph Blatter said that such conspiracy theories that claim referees helped Korea are even worthless to cast a look. |
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004110353778 |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Bad/controversial refereeing decisions in big games are nothing new- off the top of my head I can think of Maradonna's "Hand of God" incident against England in 1986, the goal that effectively won England the world cup in 1966 and may not even have crossed the line, Shumaccher- the German goalkeeper breaking the jaw of a french attacker who was clean through on goal (decision: goal kick).
All of these were match deciding decisions in quarter, semi or final matches of the World Cup. It happens all the time and doesn't indicate a conspiracy.
[Also why on Earth would FIFA make a DVD that criticises current referees?! A terrible idea] |
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komtengi
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: |
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its not all positive for the Koreans afterwards, mainly cause they are spastic. Samsung had the opportunity to sponsor the Brazilian national team for a price of 7 million, and decidedly turned around and said we'll pay 1.5. wtf, obviously they didnt get the chance with negotiating skills like that  |
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