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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Don't worry Bobster, I've got this one:
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| 70000 trained in Al-Qaeda camps in the 90s |
But not in Iraq.
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Hussein never gave up his war.
He thought you could fight the US and live to fight another day. |
True. But was he more of an imminent threat than other targets on the US radar?
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Hussein often had dreams about possessing big weapons like he used to.
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He was submitting to weapons inspections. Hans Blix said trhere weren't any WMDs or WMD programs. So, uh, how many WMDs were found in Iraq?
And more importantly, where is the biggest breeding ground- not to mention live weapon exercise training ground- for terrorists in the world right now?
Iraq.
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| After 9-11 we had to change that |
Yes.
Uh, you really think so? I think there's a lot more sh*t left to hit the fan in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the rest of the world...
I may be slightly different from others who are against the War in Iraq- I'm not agains t war in principle, or the US exerting military force where and when needed- if it had actually lessened terrorist threats and helped to stabilize the region I would be behind it.
But it didn't and I'm not.
Maybe it's too soon to tell- maybe I'll end up being wrong.
I'll happily admit it when that day comes, but I suspect it never will. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I forgot to add that it turns out that al Queda WAS in contact with Iraqis and working towards putting down roots there...
among some of the more Islamic ANTI-SADDAM Kurdish groups.
This is according *anonymous* in Imperial Hubris.
You'd have to read his footnotes for his source, I don't have it with me right now. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course Jeff Rense is a 9-11 conspriacy theorists as well as being a holocaust denier. |
Whatever Rense truly "IS" one thing we can confidentally say is that, unlike yourself, he ain't no perpetual anti-conspiracy fanatic or politically correct holocaust industry shill.
Oh yah, based on what he writes he's obviously a much better speller as well ...  |
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You think you are worth the time for a spell check?
Rense and Zundel are still a Nazi wannabe's just like their followers.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael mMoore is okay with me. He's got an opinion and so do I. And so do you. In America, we can listen to opinions and decide for ourselves what is good and what is not |
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He is not honest/
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| I'm okay with Michael Moore, but YOU are VERY okay with pulling his name out of no place at all, thinking you can put mud on my face with just that and nothing more. Just as you recently did the same toward the mother of a dead Amercan soldier by comparing one or two statements she made with some VERY racist statements perpetuallu made by a prominent Klansman. |
fact is you were making the same argument that he did and it is not true.
The fact is that David Duke approves of her.
And I did it to show that sometimes people go after Israel cause they probably have something against Jews. Something you basically deny.
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| You want people to think I believe everything Michael Moore say, the fact is I just think he has the right to say it and ask people to think about it. You want people to think Michael Moore does not love America, and therefore anyone who agrees with part of what he says does not her as well ... and you have no hesitation to do the same thing by smearing a woman in the midst of grief that will never end by associating her with an avowed racist. |
The fact is that MM isn't honest. and the arguements that he makes aren't honest or accurate.
And one reason that David Duke was brought into it because you seem to insist that no one ever goes after Israel cause they have something against Jews.
Also that Cindy Sheenans were so vague and ambiguous and selective that really there is some real doubt about what here motives are, and at best she has poor judgement.
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| woman in the midst of grief |
and this women has been talking on a lot of subjects beyond Iraq that means she is beyond questioning?
she is with a someone who helped Al Qaida Lynne Stewart and so she is above being questioned? She has been on Showbiz tonight and entertaiment tonight and she is above being questioned?
How PC of you, but the fact is that she is not above questioning.
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Yes, you did that. And you have no remorse. |
Why should I . Just cause you don' t approve well so what?
Remember Bob the very worst thing the US could do is to give in. If Bathist , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers don't want to give up their war then the US is right to do anything and everything to force them to.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry Joo, I've got this one.
(Ahem)
70000 trained in Al-Qaeda camps in the 90s
Hussein never gave up his war.
He thought you could fight the US and live to fight another day.
Hussein often had dreams about possessing big weapons like he used to.
Again and again
After 9-11 we had to change that
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that is all true which means that he had to be contained. But containing Saddam was very costly and difficult for the US. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yes but that shows that the mideast was so bad before the US invaded Iraq. It alos throws doubt on any argument that the the mideast is more dangerous now than it was in the 1990s.
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| True. But was he more of an imminent threat than other targets on the US radar? |
No but he deserved it and Iraq could be a strategic prize that the US could use in the war on terror. Also the US wanted to make an example of a nation in the mideast after 9-11. There were some there who thought that suicide bombing could even the military gap between the US and the mideast.
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| He was submitting to weapons inspections. Hans Blix said trhere weren't any WMDs or WMD programs. So, uh, how many WMDs were found in Iraq? |
He only submitted after the US put 100,000 soliders in his face. What would happen when the US removed those soldiers .
WMDs weren't the main reason for the war.
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And more importantly, where is the biggest breeding ground- not to mention live weapon exercise training ground- for terrorists in the world right now?
Iraq. |
that is true, on the other hand these what would these people be doing if the US didn't attack Iraq?
Besides as I said before the mideast was so bad that it could not be worse. The only way the US could really be safe is if there was a massive change in the mideast.
There was Al Qaida before the Iraq war. The reason for that is because the mideast was the way it is.
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| Uh, you really think so? I think there's a lot more sh*t left to hit the fan in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the rest of the world... |
I dunno but I think before 9-11 there wasn't much worse that the mideast could become. Something had to be done and there weren't clearly better options than what the US had done.
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I was joking. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I wasn't sure so I played it straight. Jokes on me and Joo. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I had the feeling that it was time for a rehash of 70000 trained in the 90s plus everything else. I think I saved everybody a lot of time. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, it's a real Mayan calendar around here, that's for sure. |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: in your head
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I think before 9-11 there wasn't much worse that the mideast could become. Something had to be done and there weren't clearly better options than what the US had done. |
puh-leease. the mideast could have been turned in an anarchy where civilians and american soldiers could be dying daily in an overt ideological war with no end in sight. oh yeah, that's what happened.
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Don't worry Joo, I've got this one.
(Ahem)
70000 trained in Al-Qaeda camps in the 90s
Hussein never gave up his war.
He thought you could fight the US and live to fight another day.
Hussein often had dreams about possessing big weapons like he used to.
Again and again
After 9-11 we had to change that
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Bang on dude. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| How about Jeff Rense doesn't want Al Qaida to lose? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| death from above wrote: |
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| I think before 9-11 there wasn't much worse that the mideast could become. Something had to be done and there weren't clearly better options than what the US had done. |
puh-leease. the mideast could have been turned in an anarchy where civilians and american soldiers could be dying daily in an overt ideological war with no end in sight. oh yeah, that's what happened.
being a militant bush apologist must be exhausting.. |
As opposed the fascist hate mongering regimes (say they are not0 that were in power while 70,000 trained in AQ camps in Afghanstan while they planned attacks like 9-11.
Hey DOA ever heard of Ramzi Yousef ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka#Airline_bombing_plot
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Airline bombing plot
The next plan would have involved at least five Al-Qaeda operatives, including Yousef, Khan, Shah and two more unknown operatives. Starting on January 21, 1995 and ending on January 22, 1995, they would set the bombs on 11 United States-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. All of the flights had two legs. The bombs would be planted inside life jackets under seats on the first leg, when each bomber would disembark. He would then board one or two more flights and repeat. After all of the bombers planted bombs on all of the flights, each man would then catch flights to Lahore, Pakistan. The men never needed U.S. visas, as they only would have stayed on the planes on their first legs in Asia.
United States airlines had been chosen instead of Asian airlines to maximize the shock toward Americans. The flights targeted were listed under operatives with codenames, such as "Zyed", "Majbos" or "Obaid". Obaid, who was really Abdul Hakim Murad, was to hit United flight 80, and then he was to go back to Singapore under another United flight which he would bomb. [1] [12] [13]
Zyed was to hit Northwest Flight 30, a United Flight going from Taipei to Honolulu, and a United Flight going from Bangkok to Taipei to San Francisco [1] [16]
The bombs would have been timed before the operatives stepped off the planes. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, several thousand would have perished, and air travel would have been shut down worldwide for days, if not weeks. The U.S. government estimated the prospective death toll to be about 4,000 if the plot had been executed. |
death from above I guess that must be your idea of an acceptable status- quo.  |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: in your head
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:53 am Post subject: |
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missing the point, again.. i was talking about iraq.
iraq and al qaeda were two separate issues.
now they are one. |
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