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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Names, Joo. Names.
And why your preoccupation with European news outlets? What effect do such possibly have on American political opinion?
Names. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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/8/2002
The Logic of Empire
Filed under: foreign affairs war - iraq
The United States is now our foremost enemy. We must begin to treat it as such. |
First seen in the Guardian
can be found at Monibonts web site or on the radical site third world traveler
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The Bush administration's escalating barrage of bellicose rhetoric toward Iraq and its rejection of the international Crimean Court have strained Washington's relations with its European allies and unleashed a new wave of intense anti-American sentiment in the European press.
There is something almost comical about the prospect of George W. Bush waging war on another nation because that nation has defied international law. Since Bush came to office, the U.S. government has torn up more international treaties and disregarded more United Nations' conventions than the rest of the world has in 20 years. It has scuppered the biological weapons convention while experimenting, illegally, with biological weapons of its own. It has refused to grant chemical-weapons inspectors full access to its laboratories and has destroyed attempts to launch chemical inspections in Iraq. It has ripped up the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and appears to be ready to violate the nuclear test-ban treaty. |
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/Logic_Empire.html
Chemical weapons were non lethal ones.
bio weapons were for bio weapons that attack armor not people
Just remember the Press in othe European countires like Greece or France is far more radical and anti US than the Guardian.
So the Guardian, the independant , and the entire press in countires like Belgium , Greece France.
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Chemical hypocrites
As it struggles to justify its invasion, the US is getting ready to use banned weapons in Iraq
George Monbiot
Tuesday April 8, 2003
The Guardian |
talking tear gas. 
How about when I writer in the Guradian called for Bush to be killed ?
Just remember the Press in othe European countires like Greece or France is far more radical and anti US than the Guardian.
So the Guardian, the independant , and the entire press in countires like Belgium , Greece France. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Impressive, Everything in the mostg rescent reply lookd COMPLETELY non-responsive and non-sequiteur.
Names.
I want an Amercan televison news source that is as unfair and unbalanced as Fox news us. Tell me the name, You have been asked several times and you have given us nothing.
So we can surmise the nothing is what exists.
Names. I want names. Do you have any?
I didn't think so ... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="The Bobster"]
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| Impressive, Everything in the mostg rescent reply lookd COMPLETELY non-responsive and non-sequiteur. |
Uh no Bob I showed you news sources that are just if not more biased.
Just cause you don't like them well so what?
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Names.
I want an Amercan televison news source that is as unfair and unbalanced as Fox news us. Tell me the name, You have been asked several times and you have given us nothing. |
I have U names. I showed you media that is just as biased.
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| So we can surmise the nothing is what exists. |
go all though the European media.
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Names. I want names. Do you have any?
I didn't think so ... |
Guardian, The independant, . but as a said the media in other European nations so biased against the US they make the Guardian and the independent look tame.
there is a lot of media on the left that just as or even more biased than fox.
and as I said you don't see left wing sources like the Nation or even more radical ones giving time to the other side. |
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bourquetheman
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo you still are making comparisons between newspapers and A TV Channel, why do you do this? And the fact that they are both NON-US newspapers. Show us another TV channel that is as widespread as FOX in the U.S. You can't because there isn't one. So when Bob is asking for names I assume he's asking for names of other U.S. tv stations that are the polar opposite of Fox. There isn't any that come close to it........... |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is that Fox doesn't behave worse than the left wing media , in fact they might even behave better because they usually allow someone from the other side to state their case.
As I said their a lot of left wing media that does the same or worse, and the only reason that most of the posters on this thread are complaining is because Fox's politics don't agree with theirs. They probably wouldn't say a word about left wing media outlets doing the same thing.
The is a lot of anti US media in Europe and in a way Fox makes up for that.
I wonder why actually I dont' the left wingers never said a word about left wing media in Europe.
Interesting those posters who aren't from the US rip Fox news from the US but they could care less about media bias in other nations. |
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bourquetheman
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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The fact is that Fox doesn't behave worse than the left wing media , in fact they might even behave better because they usually allow someone from the other side to state their case.
As I said their a lot of left wing media that does the same or worse, and the only reason that most of the posters on this thread are complaining is because Fox's politics don't agree with theirs. They probably wouldn't say a word about left wing media outlets doing the same thing.
The is a lot of anti US media in Europe and in a way Fox makes up for that.
I wonder why actually I dont' the left wingers never said a word about left wing media in Europe.
Interesting those posters who aren't from the US rip Fox news from the US but they could care less about media bias in other nations. |
We are talking about Fox news which is an American news station broadcasting in the U.S. The point that was being made was that other UNITED STATES news channels don't even come close to being biased like Fox is. Why you keep bringing up how bias the news organizations are in other countries has little relevance to the fact that Joe Blow sitting in his living room in the U.S. has a choice of Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN. He doesn't get the choice to see other biased European media (which I'll give you there is without a doubt) so why then is it relevant to this discussion? I really don't see how you can keep going on and on about it. You should concede that "Yeah actually Fox is the most biased when it comes to U.S. news channels". |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| We are talking about Fox news which is an American news station broadcasting in the U.S. The point that was being made was that other UNITED STATES news channels don't even come close to being biased like Fox is. Why you keep bringing up how bias the news organizations are in other countries has little relevance to the fact that Joe Blow sitting in his living room in the U.S. has a choice of Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN. He doesn't get the choice to see other biased European media (which I'll give you there is without a doubt) so why then is it relevant to this discussion? I really don't see how you can keep going on and on about it. You should concede that "Yeah actually Fox is the most biased when it comes to U.S. news channels". |
I think I already did concede it only w/ slightly different words.
Look , I wouldn't disagree that Fox is the most tilted Network news in the US. I think much of thier reporting would count as alternative news - except for their interviews , or stuff they get from the AP or other wire services.
Fox much isn't news but rather an editorial.But I would also add that the tilted view that Fox presents is either as bad or as worthwhile as the views that other tilted news services give and Fox might even be more balanced in that they also at least give the other side a chance to speak . I would also like to say that the views oftern presented the alternative media are often more extreme than Fox. If there is a place for them then there is a place for Fox. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee"]
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Names.
I want an Amercan televison news source that is as unfair and unbalanced as Fox news us. Tell me the name, You have been asked several times and you have given us nothing. |
I have U names. I showed you media that is just as biased. |
You did not. I asked for American television news media. I would settle for a single television show, an American one because that's the only thing you can compare Fox to in any honesty. There aren't ANY. Or you would have tossed the name here for us. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Fact is that what is expresses at Fox is no more extreme than what is presented in left wing media sources. And in fact Fox often even interviews the other side, the left wing media sources don't always do so. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Fact is that what is expresses at Fox is no more extreme than what is presented in left wing media sources. And in fact Fox often even interviews the other side, the left wing media sources don't always do so |
Yes, you listed all 6 of them.
Please, when Fox's bias is as strikingly obvious as it is, a dozen interviews over 4 years ain't gonna cut it. Not when those years include 3yrs worth of war AND a presidential campaign. That's aboslutely retarded joo.
The more i see on fox news, the less and less a credible news source they become. It is aboslutely impossible to argue that point.
Can you give an example of a Left with "media source" (with, let's say 1/2 the media share of Fox's) that doesn't interview "the other side"?
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I think much of thier reporting would count as alternative news - except for their interviews , or stuff they get from the AP or other wire services.
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So the only news on the show is news from a different news outlet?
I can't believe Jon Stewart has less newsworthy credibility than them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: |
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As I said before
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| No the only news that is "news on Fox are the interviews and the news from other news sources - the rest is really just an editorial. |
which is pretty much what this source says:
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Fox News asserts that it is more objective and factual than other American networks. Its self-promotion includes the phrases "Fair and Balanced" and "We Report, You Decide." However, numerous critics claim that the network has a conservative bias and tailors its news to support the Republican Party. Although most critics do not claim that all Fox News reporting is slanted, most allege that bias at Fox News is systemic, and implemented to target a largely right-wing audience. The channel is often regarded by international audiences as primarily being a propaganda vehicle for the Bush administration, as it not only promotes advocacy of such things as the US invasion of Iraq, but also attempts to explain and advocate the broader neoconservative worldview behind those actions. Fair and Balanced was a slogan used by the American news channel FOX News Channel, intended to promote the claimed neutrality of the network in comparison to the claimed liberal bias of traditional news sources. ... Conservative bias is the mirror image of liberal bias, a belief that the media is biased in favor of conservative views. ... The Republican Party, often called the GOP (for Grand Old Party, although one early citation described it as the Gallant Old Party) [1], is one of the two major political parties in the United States. ... In politics, right-wing, the political right, or simply the Right, are terms which refer, with no particular precision, to the segment of the political spectrum in opposition to left-wing politics. ...
Many media commentators and competitors have alleged that Fox News' reporting is characterized by right-wing editorials disguised as news, and frequently refer to Fox News as the "Faux News Network," the "Republican News Network," "GOP TV," "Fear and Bias," or "Unfair and Unbalanced." Critics of Fox News point to the following as evidence of bias: Faux (pronounced as foe) is a French word for fake. ... The Republican Party, often called the GOP (for Grand Old Party, although one early citation described it as the Gallant Old Party [1]), is one of the two major political parties in the United States. ... This article is about the modern United States Republican Party. ... |
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Fox-news
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| a lot of the European media. |
Considering that I was talking about 1/2 of Fox's market share (and considering the fact that Fox is on the US market) I thought you would have easily deduced that I was talking specifically about the American new market.
Of course, if you took ALL of the liberal news sources from the EU and considered their market share in the US, i'd guess it's more around ....2%.
The biggest worry about Fox is NOT their global position nor their effect on global opinion, but on America. Conversly,
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| news on Fox are the interviews |
yeah ok.
I don't know if it's just me being a hardass but i tend to consider interviews as being editorials MORE OFTEN than not. Perhaps it's just my new pessimism (sp? :oops: ) but even people who come the show as purported experts have biases.
And that doesn't even include:
1) "Token" anchors/commentators.
2) Guests that are MEANT to have a bias (party reps/spokesman)
The REAL danger i swhen folks (such as yourself...OR much more stupid) consider those interviews as unbiased.
Textbook: "Cindy Sheehan is a nutcase". This from a news commentator. I can get the name for you if you like. Is this supposed to be the talked of a station that is "slightly shifty to the right"?
Has the guardian (or, more precisely, the most liberal news show you can think of) ever referred to Bush as a nutcase.
You have to realize that there are people who FRAME their opinions based on the news they see on TV...or worse, only on Fox.
As a side note: I always wonder whether Fox puts up the "the opinions expressed on this channel are not those...."blah blah blah...? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| If you threw in EU left wing anti US media you would get a lot more than 2% |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| I want an Amercan televison news source that is as unfair and unbalanced as Fox news us. Tell me the name, You have been asked several times and you have given us nothing. |
This is what I asked for. You have not given anything close. There is nothing close. Stop pretending otherwise. |
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