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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: The World According to Rapier |
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Rapier on Colonialism
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The natural evolution of world demographics has been stopped and reversed in this era of civilisation: the superior nations no longer allow themselves to triumph over the lesser. Instead, the world is being handed to the "unsophisticated" in the name of love of peace and fairness. In a natural process of politics and conquest, the world map would look vastly different.
Southern Africa would still be the domain of the European..israel would be controlling and subdueing all surrounding Arab states: and so on and on. And Korea/ half of China would be owned by Japan. But in the name of political correctness we've turned the clock back. |
Okay, so lets see here. "In a natural process of politics and conquest," the stronger nations take over the weaker, right? And this is okay, you said so yourself.
rapier commenting on americans wrote: |
You are living on stolen land. Why not give it back to the last remaining natives? |
But then you also think that Americans, Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders should give back all that land to the remaining naitves? Is it just me, or is there somehting wrong with this?
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if you think about it..Africa would be the worlds economic superpower, at its full potential and blossoming like a rose, if the Europeans hadn't become hippies in the 60's and decided to give it all back to the corrupt despots that keep it a wasteland now. |
But then in Africa, where the Europeans took YOUR OWN ADVICE and gave back the nations to the natives, you are claiming that they shouldnt have?
rapier wrote: |
It is tragic that formerly well-run, thriving states such as Rhodesia and south Africa were plunged into the dark ages virtually overnight: the transition could have been made much more successfully and gradually. That whole region is suffering now and S.A. will ultimately go into freefall just like Zimbabwe- where starvation, unemployment and poverty have replaced the former prosperity. |
rapier quoting someone else who wrote: |
Virtually every other African nation that broke the yokes of colonialism is poorer and its citizens enjoy fewer human rights than when it was a colony of a European nation. |
So in the countries where the colonialists gave the land back, you are saying that they shouldnt have, right? But then you are also saying that other nations should give their land back to the natives, right? Am I missing something here?
So you think that all white people in the world (with the exception of those living in africa cause they are right in what they do) should move back to europe?
Lets investigate that a little bit.
Right now the population of the EU is about 380,000,000.
The population of the US is about 290,000,000.
The population of Canada is about 32,000,000.
The population of Australia is about 20,000,000.
The population of New Zealand is about 4,000,000.
So youre talking about almost doubling the population of Europe? Do you have any idea what this would do? There would be huge famines and disease problems. Millions would die. And then who would be around to help you win your war against the muslims? Right now, who is the biggest supporter of the anti-terror movement? South Africa? I dont think so... So you want to esentially take apart america, move all those people too europe, have half of them killed off by disease and starvation, but at the same time win this war against the muslims? Please rapier, explain to me your logic behind all this. Im hoping that there is some... |
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Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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His world is pretty freaky and depressing- I'm glad I don't live in it. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003 Location: pusan baby!
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Since when has 'Rapier' been a current event!
Anyway hes a good lad.
I really enjoyed his "What nationality do you hate the most" thread......
Can someone put the link up for that!  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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explain to me your logic behind all this. Im hoping that there is some... |
You are hoping in vain. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:09 am Post subject: |
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So you think that all white people in the world (with the exception of those living in africa cause they are right in what they do) should move back to europe?
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I've been assuming, and will continue to assume, that Rapier's "all whites back to Europe" schtick is intended as an ad absurdum argument, and is not meant to be taken as a serious proposition. Essentially, he's saying "okay IF you think that the whites in Africa should hand all their land back to the blacks, and IF you think that Israel should be handed back to the Palestinians, then why aren't you advocating that the same thing be done in your respective homelands?"
So yes, there would be a contradiction if he were advocating anti-white ethnic cleansing in North America, while at the same time defending the record of white Rhodesia. But I don't think that's really what he's doing. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:45 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to attempt to get away from the Rapier-bashing and focus on an issue that may have something to do with what was said above.
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The natural evolution of world demographics has been stopped and reversed in this era of civilisation: the superior nations no longer allow themselves to triumph over the lesser. Instead, the world is being handed to the "unsophisticated" in the name of love of peace and fairness. In a natural process of politics and conquest, the world map would look vastly different. |
Okay. But who owns all the wealth? Yes, there are few classical colonies left in the world. Yet, just because colonialism is dead does not mean imperialism is dead. Or better yet, let us even postulate that imperialism is dead or in decline. Still, large companies still suck the labor and raw materials out of developing nations. And instead of having to maintain members of their nationality in great numbers and an offensive military presence, the corruption or mismanagement or simple desperation/destitution of the local regime allows African country X to employ its people largely for the benefit of a foreign power.
IOW, this may very well be the natural process of politics and conquest, except without all the blood and the gaudy foreign legions. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:20 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
I've been assuming, and will continue to assume, that Rapier's "all whites back to Europe" schtick is intended as an ad absurdum argument, and is not meant to be taken as a serious proposition. Essentially, he's saying "okay IF you think that the whites in Africa should hand all their land back to the blacks, and IF you think that Israel should be handed back to the Palestinians, then why aren't you advocating that the same thing be done in your respective homelands?"
So yes, there would be a contradiction if he were advocating anti-white ethnic cleansing in North America, while at the same time defending the record of white Rhodesia. But I don't think that's really what he's doing. |
Thats precisely it, and good to see somebody gets it.
I had to turn the argument around and apply it to you in order for you to see my (the correct) side.
I'm glad to have converted whatthefunk into a full supporter of white people owning land and property in their homeland, Africa.
However..its a little late now, if he and all his other self-righteous liberals had agreed back in the 70's and 80's, then Southern Africa wouldn't have become the hell that it predictably has presently degenerated into. |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Okay, so your okay with a civilization taking land from another one? That civilization then has the right to live there? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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So what I'm saying is; now that you have completed the hatchet job on white existence in Africa, I think its only fair you do it to yourselves. I mean while you were going to your anti-aprtheid free Nelson mandela concerts and donating your cash to the demolition of the most prosperous lands on the African continent, your own indigenous people were being oppressed by apartheid in your own countries.
You got a moral high ground kick out of labelling whites in Africa as imperialistic pigs, betraying your (shocked and unsuspecting) brothers to a future of eviction, terrorism and poverty.
So lets begin with Canada: Land of Apartheid.No sidestepping it now please: I want to know what you will do when indigenous terrorists overrun you, killing your family etc and evict you from Canada because you are white. All the time cheered on and sponsored by whites elsewhere in the world.I'll be one of them, fundraising cash for the war on white imperialistic Canadians and an indigenous government for the country.
Racist segregation and APARTHEID in Canada
The history of the Indian people for the last century has been the history of the impingement of white civilization upon the Indian: the Indian was virtually powerless to resist the white civilization; the white community of B.C. adopted a policy of apartheid. This, of course, has already been done in eastern Canada and on the Prairies, but the apartheid policy adopted in B.C. was of a particularly cruel and degrading kind. They began by taking the Indians' land without any surrender and without their consent. Then they herded the Indian people onto Indian reserves. This was nothing more nor less than apartheid, and that is what it still is today.
http://www.tgmag.ca/magic/mt3.html
Oppression of Native Woman in Canada
From the open publishing newswire: Native Youth Movement Mother and Warrior, Kanahus Pelkey (slave name: Amanda Soper)was captured on February 22nd., in Ulkatcho Territory,Aniham Lake, BC. Police were called in from several RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) divisions to hunt Kanahus, her baby, husband and 16 year-old sister down. They were heavily sought after leaving a Bella Coola hospital with her sisters 7 week-old baby who had passed over to the spirit world on the morning of the 22nd. As true Indians, they refused foreign doctors to take their baby, who the hospital tried to take ownership of, and wrapped the young Warrior up in his cradleboard and took him to a Sacred place in the mountains for his Ceremonial burial.
So called "british columbia" is all un-surrendered territory, which means that even under "Canadian Law" Indians own 100% of their traditional Territory (not just Reserves) in the whole Province. Treaties were never signed!
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/04/108405.shtml
It is undisputed that the health of the Native Canadian is poor, ... following paper
provides an overview of the historical oppression of Native Canadians.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11803942&dopt=Abstract
The overall outcome on Native communities has been the establishment of an oppressed minority within a First World context a community whose individuals endure more violence, more family breakup, more suicide, more imprisonment, more economic inequity, more substance abuse, and more failure within the educational mainstream than any other identifiable group within Canada.http://www.senecac.on.ca/quarterly/1994-vol01-num04-summer/hodson.html
Over the past decades, Aboriginal people (the original people or indigenous occupants of a particular country), have been oppressed by the Canadian society and continue to live under racism resulting in gender/ class oppression.
http://www.wowessays.com/dbase/af5/dtb252.shtml
ONE SETTLER, ONE BULLET as they say in South Africa.Amandla!
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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so youre bitter? why should i be held responsible for somebody elses wrong doing? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:45 am Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
so youre bitter? why should i be held responsible for somebody elses wrong doing? |
You are a white invader to America. you are on stolen land. You and your culture has no right to be there. Its time to give it back.
You personally?you can't wriggle out that easilly. No, you didn't kill the natives- but your own grandfathers etc did.It was done in the name of your culture and for the future you now wallow in as a citizen.
The reality of the world is that whole cultures and civilisations are held accountable for their actions. Wether an individual was personally directly involved in the atrocities is of no account. You are a part of the society and culture that did and still does, oppress, kill and poison your native population.
If your grandfather murdered someone, and stole the title deeds to their house, -and 3 generations later you are still living there, do you not then owe the house to the descendants of its original and rightful owner? |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:49 am Post subject: |
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actually, my great grandfathers were from norway, moved to the states in the early part of this century and settled on land in minnesota that had been taken by someone else from the indians. am i still responsible? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
so youre bitter? |
Me and the native Indians.
You can't support the robbery, murder and eviction of someone and then accuse them "don't be bitter, its so unnattractive".
tell that to the Jews, the Serbs, the native Indians, the maoris, the Aborigines.
Try it. Just go up to an Indian on the reservation who is dying of cancer because of the mining/industry forced on his land, and say "why the long face? Why so bitter?". "You have no right to be bitter..think positive!" |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
actually, my great grandfathers were from norway, moved to the states in the early part of this century and settled on land in minnesota that had been taken by someone else from the indians. am i still responsible? |
You have knowingly recieved stolen goods. "My friend killed a man for his necklace, then gave it to me as a present. it was given to me, so I'm not going to hand it back".
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Yes let's give it back. And Rapier can be the first one to give back what was taken. I have my doubts he'd be anything other than the one screaming the loudest about the injustice of being separated from his property if he was compelled... |
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