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[paperbag princess]

this is crazy stuff that needs to spread around guys. seriously, check the links, they're legit:


This is exceptionally scarey and not at all for the faint of heart. The United States of America is the most evil corporation in the known universe.

Knick from Evil Intent's report:
Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.

So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...

At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.

The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the *beep* out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.

No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.

Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..

- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.

- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.

- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the *beep* out of here right now."



Now.. let's get the facts straight here.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!

Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.

This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?

This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT!

The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.

Video footage:
http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html

Other people's accounts of what happened:
http://forums.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020
http://www.404audio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14814&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
http://www.ragga-jungle.com/viewtopic.php?t=7821


The sheriff's report:
http://www.co.utah.ut.us/News/DeptNewsDetails.asp?ID=17759&WN_System=SHERIFF

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[joe_doufu]

[thepeel]

Now take a deep breath and reread what you wrote.

In a world where genocide and famine plague Africa, where humans are starved to death in the name of a bullsh$t revolution in NK and where Islamists treat women worse than cattle you figure that some fairly minor abuse by the coppers at a bloody rave constitutes that nation being "the most evil corporation in the known universe".

I am going to make some assumptions about you.

1) You are Canadian.

2) You studied Liberal Arts, and barely passed. Despite this, you latched on to some wildly socialist prof who carefully molded and polluted your mind.

3) You tend to overreact and constantly find yourself upset for no real reason.

How am I doing?

[Summer Wine]

I wouldn't be surprised. In my town a few years back now, there was an incident called the morris street riots. Basically students had a party got too drunk and trashed the street and surrounding area. The cops were out numbered and had to call in others from the surronding area.

For a few weeks after, any party was shut down at 11.00 o'clock when the noise control regs came into effect. This happened in my street, 2 houses down. First the cops turned up 1 or 2 car strong at 8.30pm, then they left a cop car outside the place until 11.00 and then piles of cops turned up and shut the place down. It was just a house party, maybe 10-15 people.

It was quite amazing to watch, so to believe that this kind of action doesn't happen. I would be surprised if it didn't or wouldn't happen. This is a rather extreme case, but 1500 people, the cops wouldn't be wanting to close it down without serious support. I have also been told of worse acts simply because people upset the cops or people who worked for the cops.

One case that was discussed in my town among my workmates who were security guards was an attack on a 14 yr old boy who ran from the cops outside a macdonalds. The dog was set loose, took him down and really chewed the boy up, one of the cops would grab the dogs head and twist it, like he was wanting it to let go. The technique is actually to get the dog to bite harder. The security guards job at the time was to block this off from public view and block the view of anyone with a camera. We were notified to not deny it if queried as anyone could have taken a photo.

At a rave party, that was being shut down, I would not be surprised if the sort of things reported went on. But thats the way, the worlds going. I learn't one interesting piece of trivia and that is that the older police dogs bite will actually break your bones and the younger is only strong enough to tear flesh. That if you struggle the dog is trained to go in harder, so its best to not struggle.

[Summer Wine]

double post

[chiaa]

Wonder why no one with a camera phone took a picture?





Bet big brother jammed it.

[billybrobby]

that is real messed up, but hey, it's utah man. they're all about good clean living, reading the bible, and having sex with their multiple child brides. yep. good clean living.

that said, that kind of stuff went down in my hometown. police busting up raves and arresting everybody in sight, followed by the local news doing this horribly sensationalistic stories about "underground narcotics parties" and so on.

that's the story of america. a bunch conservative hardcases cracking liberal heads. it's a constant back and forth between the pill poppers and the bible thumpers and everybody in between. i know some korean friends who were suprised when they came to america and found that in some ways america is so much stricter than korea. try walking down the street with a beer.

[mindmetoo]

[PaperTiger]

I've seen street concerts that got a little bit rowdy, mostly because of the younger kids present, that got pepper-gassed...right into a mixed crowd. When they tried to air the story on the nightly news, they got two words into the broadcast when they had "technical problems" and went out of service for two minutes and when they returned they didn't finish the story.

I wish I could get the links, but I remember hearing something about the anti-Bush demonstrations in California, how a tank (or tanks) showed up to discourage people from voicing their constitutionally protected opinions.

Anyone attend the anti-Bush rallies in Portland, Oregon? I heard a lot about some real disorderly conduct (crowds obstructing the freeway and major intersections at rushhour) but I never heard about how Mark Furhman (ex LA police chief) dealt with it. Seems he was pretty supportive of a heavily armed police presence when I lived there.

[PaperTiger]

[quote="BJWD"]Now take a deep breath and reread what you wrote.

In a world where genocide and famine plague Africa, where humans are starved to death in the name of a bullsh$t revolution in NK and where Islamists treat women worse than cattle you figure that some fairly minor abuse by the coppers at a bloody rave constitutes that nation being "the most evil corporation in the known universe".

I am going to make some assumptions about you.

1) You are Canadian.

2) You studied Liberal Arts, and barely passed. Despite this, you latched on to some wildly socialist prof who carefully molded and polluted your mind.

3) You tend to overreact and constantly find yourself upset for no real reason.

Wow, another "compassionate conservative" indulging in an excess of denial to assuage his guilt by association. Things are changing for the worse in the States and it's alarming how people are not more up in arms about it. What's that one quote about how "when they came for the jews/poles/gypsies/homosexuals...ect, I said nothing...and when they came for me there was nobody left to say anything." No, I'm not comparing America's dwindling freedom to the persecution of Jews, I'm just saying that our government is making a target of some people right now...but what about when they come for whoever's left? If Guantanamo Bay and the Patriot Act aren't blatant enough examples of what's happening in our country, perhaps these "sons of liberty" that are so quick to defend Bush might be able to turn a seeing eye to the violent encroachment of the Bush corporate war machine.

[Bulsajo]

[dogbert]

[paperbag princess]

to those who think i'm overreacting, did you go to the video links? probably not, i'm assuming.

anyway, i didn't pretend to write it i said at the top, "this is crazy stuff that needs to spread around guys. seriously, check the links, they're legit:" i checked the links and read the piece before i posted it.

legitmate news sources are b.s i think that we all know that by now. there are these things called censorship and editorial power. people only put on the news what they want you to see, plain and simple. it's not a conspiracy theory, it's what happens in journalism. it's not a case of "the man" or "big brother", it's economics. who gives us money? also, at the time that i posted the o.p, there was nothing on the internet about this, i googled and yahooed all possible subject lines. i thought it was interesting that no news sources felt it was newsworthy. i'm glad to see that at least one does.

anyway, if you've ever been to rave then you will wonder why they needed helicopters, and full camo and gear to bust it. in montreal (yes, i am a canadian), the police check out raves by coming to them. they wander around in regular police uniforms and make sure everyone is ok. if there's a problem they fix it. then they leave. we have parties of up to 50,000 people and there are never any problems.

hey, if you're an american and you think that your tax dollars are being well spent when the guys in iraq are undermanned and underfunded, but that busting kids at a rave is really important, that's your perogative. i like my taxes spent on education and health care, that's my perogative.

[Bulsajo]

Yes, I think that using National Guard & SWAT units with assault weapons to break up a rave is excessive.

If I were a citizen of Utah I'd want to know who decided to use the Guard & SWAT (instead of regular police units who would be better equiped- in both the physical and psychological sense- to deal with that sort of situation), and why.

Police say they made 60 arrests but none of the the posters at rave.org saw anyone doing anything illegal... very interested in seeing the list of charges and how many of them stick.

And check the video at the link below:
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_233220802.html

Check the woman who said she was punched in the face. Did she look like she was punched in the facve a night or 2 before? Maybe it's nothing, but my point is obvious- neither side is giving a truthful account of what happened.

PBP- 50,000 at a rave in Montreal? Where/when was this?

[joe_doufu]