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blunder1983
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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Bah Corporal your twisting my words arent you.
All I was saying is i dont know a job in England that is as rewarding and creative as one I have here. Money is an issue, but when is it ever not in this life. all (no capital letter after a full stop AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) I was trying to do is make people appreciate, that sure the job/place is not perfect but its pretty damn good overall. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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That's nice.
No, I'm not twisting your words. You were the one who used "impact" in such creative ways in the first post. I only pointed out that there yet exist old-fashioned language lovers like myself who believe that is wrong, despite the modern-day cretins who dance around waving the "language is evolving!" banner to excuse all and any inaccuracies. |
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The evil penguin
Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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At any rate the OP seemed more excited about making money and leaving this "bigoted country" than about the students, but whatever. . |
with the exception of yourself and perhaps the noble Homer, WHO ISN"T????
Were it not for the money, sure as cheese maketh pizza, i would not be here. Sure, I care about the students. I try and do my job to the best of my abilities, regardless of the BS I (we teachers in general) have to wade through every day... But no.... even the joy of having a student finally realise that the word "chicken" is not spelt with a "W" is not enough to keep me here..... but the money is... for a little longer... |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
That's nice.
No, I'm not twisting your words. You were the one who used "impact" in such creative ways in the first post. I only pointed out that there yet exist old-fashioned language lovers like myself who believe that is wrong, despite the modern-day cretins who dance around waving the "language is evolving!" banner to excuse all and any inaccuracies. |
Hey Corpie, we're not your students, give it a rest. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The evil penguin wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
At any rate the OP seemed more excited about making money and leaving this "bigoted country" than about the students, but whatever. . |
with the exception of yourself and perhaps the noble Homer, WHO ISN"T????
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DING--WRONG! I have three months left in this contract and you better believe I am itching to get out of here for a looooooong break. Korea pisses me off as much as the next guy. However, I don't feel the need to label millions of people as bigoted just because of a bunch of retarded ajumas and ajoshis. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| However, I don't feel the need to label millions of people as bigoted just because of a bunch of retarded ajumas and ajoshis. |
Even if millions of them are retarded and or bigoted? |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I love (ellipses............) I use them incorrectly all the time...! woo hooo....! lock me up!
Like it or not language evolves or we could still use dictionaries from 100 years ago. They add words to dictionaries all the time and thank the lord we AIN'T (  ) using the same slang they used in Shakespeare's time...............(more abuse of ellipses) or even my mom's time.
I do rather enjoy the grammar nazis from time to time cuz I learn from them...but.......(even more) does it change my style of informal chat/bulletin board writing..........(yet again) NOPE.
When I write my mom on the other hand I am pretty good about controlling my slang and (............) cuz she gets all cranky and whines about my grammar and over abundance of (..............). So I always try to brush off the good stuff for her.
But here nopies...I use slang..bad puncuation..........(dear god the horror) and constantly run afoul with the grammar nazis......(will it never end?) it's like teepeeing the local cranky old man's house......IS IT WRONG! HELL YES......IS IT FUN...HELL YES...
Lobs one more roll at the grammar nazis and takes off.....
Jade...cuz sometimes (.............) abuse is fun! I abuse ellipses....sue me. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
| However, I don't feel the need to label millions of people as bigoted just because of a bunch of retarded ajumas and ajoshis. |
Even if millions of them are retarded and or bigoted? |
Are more Koreans than Yanks retarded and bigoted?
I wonder if there are stats on this somewhere.
I bet more Yanks are retarded and more Koreans are bigoted.
Or is it the other way around? |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I'm not twisting your words. You were the one who used "impact" in such creative ways in the first post. I only pointed out that there yet exist old-fashioned language lovers like myself who believe that is wrong, despite the modern-day cretins who dance around waving the "language is evolving!" banner to excuse all and any inaccuracies. |
That's right Language doesn't evolve.
Lord's Prayer I (Exeter Book,10th c.)
1 [....]g f��der, ��u ��e on heofonum eardast,
2 geweor��ad wuldres dreame. Sy ��inum weorcum halgad
3 noma ni����a bearnum; ��u eart nergend wera.
4 Cyme ��in rice wide, ond ��in r��df��st willa
5 ar��red under rodores hrofe, eac ��on on rumre foldan.
6 Syle us to d��ge domf��stne bl��d,
7 hlaf userne, helpend wera,
8 ��one singalan, so��f��st meotod.
9 Ne l��t usic costunga cnyssan to swi��e,
10 ac ��u us freodom gief, folca waldend,
11 from yfla gewham, a to widan feore.
(The Exeter Book, ed. Krapp and Dobbie 1936)
Dated 1384 (Middle English)
Oure fadir ��at art in heuenes halwid be ��i name;
��i reume or kyngdom come to be.
Be ��i wille don in her��e as it is doun in heuene.
yeue to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeue to us oure dettis ��at is oure synnys as we foryeuen to oure dettouris ��at is to men ��at han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion but delyuere us from euyl.
AND FINALLY MORE PROOF THAT LANGUAGE DOES NOT EVOLVE. 
In this extract Mandeville describes the land of Bactria, apparently not an altogether inviting place, as it is inhabited by "full yuele [evil] folk and full cruell."
In ��at lond ben trees ��at beren wolle, as ��ogh it were of scheep; whereof men maken clothes, and all ��ing ��at may ben made of wolle. In ��at contree ben many ipotaynes, ��at dwellen som tyme in the water, and somtyme on the lond: and ��ei ben half man and half hors, as I haue seyd before; and ��ei eten men, whan ��ei may take hem. And ��ere ben ryueres and watres ��at ben fulle byttere, ��ree sithes more ��an is the water of the see. In ��at contré ben many griffounes, more plentee ��an in ony other contree. Sum men seyn ��at ��ei han the body vpward as an egle, and benethe as a lyoun: and treuly ��ei seyn soth ��at ��ei ben of ��at schapp. But o griffoun hath the body more gret, and is more strong, ��anne eight lyouns, of suche lyouns as ben o this half; and more gret and strongere ��an an hundred egles, suche as we han amonges vs. For o griffoun ��ere wil bere fleynge to his nest a gret hors, 3if he may fynde him at the poynt, or two oxen 3oked togidere, as ��ei gon at the plowgh.
Old West American Style:
Not only was he a flour-flusher but he was as full as a tick. I heard he was quite the flannel mouth too.
Not only was he a cheat but he was drunk. I heard he was quite a smooth talker.
Language evolves all the time. Does it excuse bad grammar? No. But like it or not it does evolve.
Jade the evil grammar abuser! |
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bundangbum
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Grammar nazis are funny. I mean they get sooooo worked up and feel so realived when they can realise their anger over someone elses mistake. Almost reminds me of some porn i\'ve seen. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Fellow English Teachers:
I just wanted to point out a few things to you.
1. Correcting word usage does not make one a "grammar Nazi." That would make one a "diction Nazi," if anything.
2. When Corporal laments people using the "'language is evolving!' banner to excuse all and any inaccuracies," she isn't saying that language doesn't evolve. She's saying that is a lame excuse for poor writing.
3. A good teacher should be a good student. Why disdain a free and easy lesson?
4. This thread got hijacked pretty badly.
Thanks for listening,
Qinella the Comprehension Nazi |
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bundangbum
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Because they get off on giving lessons. they are mental about it and have to abuse you while they give you the free lesson. |
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Scott in HK
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: now in Incheon..haven't changed my name yet
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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What lesson...
First corporal was simply wrong...
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| you should probably know that "impact" is a noun and not a verb |
Then she twisted his words....
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| At any rate the OP seemed more excited about making money and leaving this "bigoted country" than about the students, but whatever. |
Seemed to me that anyone without an agenda reading his post would have seen how much the poster enjoyed teaching rather than centering on his last comment. And there is no mention whatsoever of leaving the country...so besides twisting words she is adding some...
Then our learned teacher goes on to call those people who have some knowledge of the nature of discourse, literacy and how langugaes change...cretins...just for knowing about how language works and the nature of discourse...
Those people who know something about discourse realize that there is a huge variety of discourses each acceptable at different times and in different places. No one would condemn someone for using a word differently if they were writing poetry...no one bothers with grammar while writing recipes...and in a discussion board most people accept that people are 'writing' in a way that mirrors spoken language so almost anything goes as long as comprehension is not lost.
Therefore...we get to use any punctuation marks that we want to...and for the most part we all know how to use them....we choose to do something different for various reasons.
The poster used a wordin a certain context...most of us understood completely what he meant...and given time his meaning may even enter the dictionary...whose to say...(actually it is the media and not the makers of dictionarnies...as usually dictionaries are simply catching up to what is already in use)
Poor writing...not to got back to the whole discourse thing...but what counts on a discussion board is communication and not writing and no one can accuse anyone of poor communication on this thread...we could accuse people of poor teaching if that was their intention...
Finally...is it really right to call people Nazi's when talking about grammar and diction...or really anything except mass murderers...
edited once for typo
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:00 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Scott in HK"]What lesson...
First corporal was simply wrong...
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Yep, she was wrong. But so was blunder's usage. If she were right, people still would've flipped out.
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| Finally...is it really right to call people Nazi's when talking about grammar and diction...or really anything except mass murderer's... |
... except [a] mass murderer's what?
Don't be a hyperbole Nazi! 
Q~ |
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jaderedux
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Lurking outside Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Finally...is it really right to call people Nazi's when talking about grammar and diction...or really anything except mass murderer's... |
Good point.....how about fuss budget? Nitpicker? hypercritical?
This is fun.
Jade |
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