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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| paperbag princess wrote: |
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| i think it's time to forgive the japanese. sure, they should appologise officially, but the koreans should appologise for what they did to the veitnamese. |
Yes... and the hippie raver culture should apologize for what it has done to Thailand. LOL! |
becuase supporting thailand's tourism industry is on par with slaughtering entire villages during the vietnam war for fun? |
Princess, i think Joe was making a joke  |
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billybrobby
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura. |
Whatever. Japanese are asked to 'admit' that they massacred between ten thousand and three hundred thousand people. Which is it? And why is this coming up more than 60 years after the event? What is the agenda of people that are trying to keep people stirred up and angry against present day Japanese that had nothing to do with it? |
i agree to a certain extent that the chinese and koreans are guilty of "picking the scab" i.e. fruitlessly trying to sour relations with a country for something that cannot be undone. and in my book, anybody who treats somebody poorly based on the country they are from can go to hell. but i don't agree with the "60 years is a looooong time argument." it's long, but it's not that long.
as for agendas, i'm always curious why certain foreigners get swept up in the "there was no rape of nanking" business. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura. |
Gord and the rest of the "advocating truth" team present far more evidence than the "make stuff up" team. In countless threads those arguing that this mytholigical tale invented by the Chinese is true have been downed by the sheer amount of evidence that has been hurled at their feet.
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| as for agendas, i'm always curious why certain foreigners get swept up in the "there was no rape of nanking" business |
I am equally perplexed as to why certain members of the expat community swallow Lang's lies, and even have the audacity to start threads running full force with those lies. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura. |
Gord and the rest of the "advocating truth" team present far more evidence than the "make stuff up" team. In countless threads those arguing that this mytholigical tale invented by the Chinese is true have been downed by the sheer amount of evidence that has been hurled at their feet.
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| as for agendas, i'm always curious why certain foreigners get swept up in the "there was no rape of nanking" business |
I am equally perplexed as to why certain members of the expat community swallow Lang's lies, and even have the audacity to start threads running full force with those lies. |
i read through those threads a while ago. it must have been 30 or 40 pages altogether. i don't recall a single proper citation for a single book or document. but there was so much arrogant prose like "hurled at their feet" that it made my eyes cross. so...ummm...good job? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura. |
Gord and the rest of the "advocating truth" team present far more evidence than the "make stuff up" team. In countless threads those arguing that this mytholigical tale invented by the Chinese is true have been downed by the sheer amount of evidence that has been hurled at their feet.
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| as for agendas, i'm always curious why certain foreigners get swept up in the "there was no rape of nanking" business |
I am equally perplexed as to why certain members of the expat community swallow Lang's lies, and even have the audacity to start threads running full force with those lies. |
i read through those threads a while ago. it must have been 30 or 40 pages altogether. i don't recall a single proper citation for a single book or document. but there was so much arrogant prose like "hurled at their feet" that it made my eyes cross. so...ummm...good job? |
You didn't read carefully enough. I recall two links I posted. One in which a Korean professor claimed that only 10% of the "comfort women" were victims and that the rest were lying, and another link which suggested that evidence eminating from Japan with regards to the Nanking massacre is much more thoroughly researched than in China where no academic could come out and argue that the Chinese government's version of history is a pile of cack. It was a drubbing. Shak fended of a moron in one thread and Gord posted up evidence and links in another. Hell, I even recall that in one thread Gord got out the crayons for us! I don't know, what more can we do? |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura. |
Gord and the rest of the "advocating truth" team present far more evidence than the "make stuff up" team. In countless threads those arguing that this mytholigical tale invented by the Chinese is true have been downed by the sheer amount of evidence that has been hurled at their feet.
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| as for agendas, i'm always curious why certain foreigners get swept up in the "there was no rape of nanking" business |
I am equally perplexed as to why certain members of the expat community swallow Lang's lies, and even have the audacity to start threads running full force with those lies. |
i read through those threads a while ago. it must have been 30 or 40 pages altogether. i don't recall a single proper citation for a single book or document. but there was so much arrogant prose like "hurled at their feet" that it made my eyes cross. so...ummm...good job? |
You didn't read carefully enough. I recall two links I posted. One in which a Korean professor claimed that only 10% of the "comfort women" were victims and that the rest were lying, and another link which suggested that evidence eminating from Japan with regards to the Nanking massacre is much more thoroughly researched than in China where no academic could come out and argue that the Chinese government's version of history is a pile of cack. It was a drubbing. Shak fended of a moron in one thread and Gord posted up evidence and links in another. Hell, I even recall that in one thread Gord got out the crayons for us! I don't know, what more can we do? |
i dunno, i think i would've remembered something like that. maybe they were different threads. the links to the threads i looked at were posted up by shakuhachi with a comment like "these threads are full of evidence." but the goldmine of evidence turned out to be pictures of a some old korean lady with her *beep* hanging out.
but its nice to see you keep using that funny tone when you write on these threads. "it was a drubbing. shak fended off a moron." hehehe. yeah, you're a big man. you really "drubbed" those dudes. |
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jaganath69
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| I don't quite know where I stand on this one. I'm currently reading the book but take it with a grain of salt due to the sensational claims made. I have no doubt that the Japanese committed atrocities, but the scale is up for debate. What I do find ironic though, is the fact that the very Chinese government who demands more and more of the Japanese are responsible for the deaths of around 20 million during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. Seems like a bit of chutzpah to me. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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this book is soon to be a movie.
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China plans to depict one of the most infamous events of the Second World War, with a film version of U.S. author Iris Chang's historical account The Rape of Nanking.
Chinese moviemakers will team up with U.S. and British filmmakers to describe the brutal massacre of Chinese civilians and burning of the former capital city by Japanese troops in December 1937.
The movie deal was announced Monday, a day before the anniversary of Japan's Second World War surrender....
...Viridian, a Hollywood entertainment firm, is working with British investors and China's Jiangsu Cultural Industry Group on the project.
Shooting is to begin soon, with the movie scheduled for completion by Sept. 1, 2007, ahead of the 70-year anniversary of the Nanjing massacre. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| About a month ago I spent quite a bit of time reading the whole account of the Rape of Nanking on the internet. Just when you think you've read every horrible thing that the Japanese Imperial Army did, you find something worse. I'm Canadian and when I was growing up one of our family friends was an old man who was captured by the Japanese in Hong Kong at the onset of WW2. Hardly a day went by when he wasn't tortured. Starvation was a way of life. I've also read the accounts of the Comfort Women. I do think that tzechuk has a point in that over 60 years have passed since the end of WW2. When does the hatred end? It is disappointing, though, that the Japanese haven't taken responsibility by apologizing and offering compensation for much of what they did. Both Canada and the United States apologized for putting Japanese citizens in internment camps during the war. They also gave them financial compensation. It's too bad that the Japanese government won't take responsibility for their past. I think it would go a long way towards diminishing the animosity towards them throughout the rest of Asia. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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this book is soon to be a movie.
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China plans to depict one of the most infamous events of the Second World War, with a film version of U.S. author Iris Chang's historical account The Rape of Nanking.
Chinese moviemakers will team up with U.S. and British filmmakers to describe the brutal massacre of Chinese civilians and burning of the former capital city by Japanese troops in December 1937.
The movie deal was announced Monday, a day before the anniversary of Japan's Second World War surrender....
...Viridian, a Hollywood entertainment firm, is working with British investors and China's Jiangsu Cultural Industry Group on the project.
Shooting is to begin soon, with the movie scheduled for completion by Sept. 1, 2007, ahead of the 70-year anniversary of the Nanjing massacre. |
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That's great news- I can look forward to a midnight double bill at my local rep theatre- Mel Gibson's Passion followed by the Rape of Nanking. Splendiferous! |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Both Canada and the United States apologized for putting Japanese citizens in internment camps during the war. |
Can't speak for the US but you're missing a huge point here- they were Canadian citizens who were put into those camps. |
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Doogie
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| Both Canada and the United States apologized for putting Japanese citizens in internment camps during the war. |
Can't speak for the US but you're missing a huge point here- they were Canadian citizens who were put into those camps. |
Sorry, you're right. It wasn't worded properly. They were Canadian citizens and U.S. citizens of Japanese heritage that were interred. My point was that both governments accepted responsibility for what they did. They took away their property and put them in camps. It was war. It's still a far cry from murder, rape, starvation and torture. |
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Yo!Chingo
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Doogie wrote: |
| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| Both Canada and the United States apologized for putting Japanese citizens in internment camps during the war. |
Can't speak for the US but you're missing a huge point here- they were Canadian citizens who were put into those camps. |
Sorry, you're right. It wasn't worded properly. They were Canadian citizens and U.S. citizens of Japanese heritage that were interred. My point was that both governments accepted responsibility for what they did. They took away their property and put them in camps. It was war. It's still a far cry from murder, rape, starvation and torture. |
I think that if another World War occured in the relative near future that the same thing would happen again, especially if the war involved individuals of middle eastern descent. 90% of the US populace would want them watched and keep in a "safe" place away from things that could be used to make big booms! We'll see the camps again. Besides these people were fed and clothed and not tortured the way the Japanese and Vietnamese did. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: Re: "Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang |
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| I heard about this book (and the horrible event) for the first time on this forum. After reading this, I have decided not to buy Japanese goods, nor do I plan to ever visit Japan again (even for a visa run). Sure, your average Japanese is kind and a good person, I'm sure (my aunt is Japanese). However, the Japanese gov't will not pay restitution for their crimes, and they have even enshrined their war heroes from WWII. Their generals didn't face war crimes tribunals as did the Nazis. There is no mention of this holocaust in Japanese textbooks (same w/the crimes committed against the Koreans during the colonization). After reading this book, it's really made me understand why Koreans hate Japan so much, and why Dokdo is such an issue. I've heard of a lot of different kinds of torture, methods for killing people, etc., but what the Japanese did in Nanjing is just hard for me to wrap my mind around. I don't know how these former soldiers can live normal lives after what they did. Now I understand why J porn is so sick. Denigration of others is nothing to them. Google "Rape of Nanking" and you'll see what I'm talking about. Better yet, buy the book. The author was so traumatized after doing her research and writing the book, she committed suicide last year.[/i] |
OMG an attrocity.
You sir or madam are realy sad. Depriving your self of Japanese products and culture because of something that happened 60 years ago is just silly.
Shit I am Polish by birth and I will not refuse to go to Germany and or not purchase their goods. I had my family involved in WW2 some died some didn't.
You want to know something even more disgusting! There is a friggen Hitler Hof about 2 minutes from where I live. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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I'm in the middle of Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan, which is a really interesting book about the late Emperor's role in WWII, how he managed to wiggle out of being declared a war criminal, and his changed role after the war up until his death in the late twentieth century (the exact year escapes me- late 80s?)
Anyone interested in WWII vis-a-vis Asia, and especially Japan, should pick it up. |
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