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On the other hand
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mithridates wrote:
'as much right to execute' does not equal 'I'd like to see executed'.
My question was framed in the right way. He is opposed to the death penalty but believes that Taiwan has a right to execute convicts in accordance with its own laws. I wonder whether he believes the same is true of Texas (i.e no problem with regards to Texas having as much right to execute...)
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Gwangjuboy:
Here's a comparison.
Let's say the income tax rate in Country X is 40%, but I think that's too high and that it should be 30%.
Now, you go to Country X and get a job there, and end up paying 40%. Do I think you are paying too much? Yes, I do. But am I going to join a campaign to get YOU SPECIFICALLY a lower tax rate? No, I will not.
To answer your question, until such time as Texas takes my advice and abolishes the death penalty, they have as much right to execute a non-Texan convicted of a capital offense as they do a Texan.
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Gwangjuboy
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Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not hypocritical to have a stronger opinion on a country closer to your own, with the same language and similar cultural background than some other place that obviously doesn't operate in quite the same way. Once you start asking 'well then, why do you/don't you care about country x or state y?' you've opened up a subject with no end. |
Is this a euphemism for "he is entitled to have a selectively applied belief?" |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote:
It's not hypocritical to have a stronger opinion on a country closer to your own, with the same language and similar cultural background than some other place that obviously doesn't operate in quite the same way. Once you start asking 'well then, why do you/don't you care about country x or state y?' you've opened up a subject with no end.
Is this a euphemism for "he is entitled to have a selectively applied belief?"
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If you read my post above, GB, I think you'll find that I am not applying my belief selectively. |
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Gwangjuboy
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Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Gwangjuboy:
Here's a comparison.
Let's say the income tax rate in Country X is 40%, but I think that's too high and that it should be 30%.
Now, you go to Country X and get a job there, and end up paying 40%. Do I think you are paying too much? Yes, I do. But am I going to join a campaign to get YOU SPECIFICALLY a lower tax rate? No, I will not. |
This isn't remotely analogous to anthing I have thrown into the discussion. I never suggested that you should be lobbying the Candian government over this man's demise, and I agree ultimately that the man is a fool for what he did. I merely asked you if there was a dichotomy between your view of the death penalty in Taiwan and Texas.
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| To answer your question, until such time as Texas takes my advice and abolishes the death penalty, they have as much right to execute a non-Texan convicted of murder as they do a Texan. |
That wasn't so unpleasant after all. I am gald to see that we are singing from the same hym sheet.  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote:
It's not hypocritical to have a stronger opinion on a country closer to your own, with the same language and similar cultural background than some other place that obviously doesn't operate in quite the same way. Once you start asking 'well then, why do you/don't you care about country x or state y?' you've opened up a subject with no end.
Is this a euphemism for "he is entitled to have a selectively applied belief?"
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If you read my post above, GB, I think you'll find that I am not applying my belief selectively. |
I never suggested you did. I asked Mith if he thought it was okay if you did apply it selectively. After your answer to my question I have concluded that your belief is consistent irrespective of where the death penalty is applied. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not a matter of applying something selectively but rather first applying what you believe where you most see a possibility of success. In theory people would love to be able to enact changes across the board but in reality they are more realistic than that and choose their targets. Once one goal is accomplished they then move on to the next. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
Gwangjuboy:
Here's a comparison.
Let's say the income tax rate in Country X is 40%, but I think that's too high and that it should be 30%.
Now, you go to Country X and get a job there, and end up paying 40%. Do I think you are paying too much? Yes, I do. But am I going to join a campaign to get YOU SPECIFICALLY a lower tax rate? No, I will not.
This isn't remotely analogous to anthing I have thrown into the discussion. I never suggested that you should be lobbying the Candian government over this man's demise, and I agree ultimately that the man is a fool for what he did. I merely asked you if there was a dichotomy between your view of the death penalty in Taiwan and Texas.
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To answer your question, until such time as Texas takes my advice and abolishes the death penalty, they have as much right to execute a non-Texan convicted of murder as they do a Texan.
That wasn't so unpleasant after all. I am gald to see that we are singing from the same hym sheet. |
GB:
Yeah, sorry I didn't re-read the thread before posting, so I didn't quite remember that the sum total of your remarks to me was the question: "So no problems with Texas then?"
Indeed we are singing from the same hymnal.
I guess I can understand it if the Canadian government tries to save the guy's hide, that's their job as his government. But I'll also certainly understand it if the Taiwnaese government tells the Canadians to bugger off. |
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The Lemon
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| I guess I can understand it if the Canadian government tries to save the guy's hide, that's their job as his government. |
Only to the extent that he gets a fair trial. But the Canadian government shouts it from the rooftops that if you get yourself in trouble over drugs in another country, they won't help beyond setting you up with a lawyer. There are plenty of Canadians rotting in developing world jails for flouting local drug laws. They can't claim they weren't warned.
I support Bulsajo's theory that it's a long and involved version of suicide. |
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bundangbum
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| you should be shot if you do drugs in another country |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
I guess I can understand it if the Canadian government tries to save the guy's hide, that's their job as his government.
Only to the extent that he gets a fair trial. But the Canadian government shouts it from the rooftops that if you get yourself in trouble over drugs in another country, they won't help beyond setting you up with a lawyer. There are plenty of Canadians rotting in developing world jails for flouting local drug laws. They can't claim they weren't warned.
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I'm sure you're right, Lemon. But:
Do you remember the case of the two Canadian leftists who were convicted of kidnapping a Brazillian supermarket tycoon? if I recall correctly, the Canadian government continued lobbying for their release from a Brziliian jail even AFTER they admitted that(contrary to their original claim) they had known full well that they were involved in a kidnapping plot.
Perhaps my recollection of this is a little sketchy, but I think that was the gist of it. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Drugs, English Teacher, Taiwan & Death Penalty? |
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Better luck next time! |
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