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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:49 am Post subject: Re: people always want to look innocent |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
| People always make themselves look better. The teacher is not telling all of the truth. |
I think we're just being trolled. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: people always want to look innocent |
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| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| bellum99 wrote: |
| People always make themselves look better. The teacher is not telling all of the truth. |
I think we're just being trolled. |
Trolled by someone who has been here since January 2003?
The best we could do at the moment is to try to be as objective as possible until the whole truth comes out.
There are three possibilities here:
1: An anonymous teacher is in a spot of bother with her former employer, and is giving a one-sided account of the situation.
2: Someone has made up a story that depicts a situation fundamentally repulsive to the Western mind.
3: The story is true, and all expat teachers in Korea should seriously think about giving their time and talent to Japan in the future. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: Re: people always want to look innocent |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
| Paji eh Wong wrote: |
| bellum99 wrote: |
| People always make themselves look better. The teacher is not telling all of the truth. |
I think we're just being trolled. |
Trolled by someone who has been here since January 2003?
The best we could do at the moment is to try to be as objective as possible until the whole truth comes out.
There are three possibilities here:
1: An anonymous teacher is in a spot of bother with her former employer, and is giving a one-sided account of the situation.
2: Someone has made up a story that depicts a situation fundamentally repulsive to the Western mind.
3: The story is true, and all expat teachers in Korea should seriously think about giving their time and talent to Japan in the future. |
UPDATE
It's a true situation.....just revenge sought by the school owner is all it is. Period.
Of course two sides to every story....but as of yesterday...she won her case in court...the judge ruled in her favor...this time she had a lawyer and help from some foreigner group.....but..it's round one and the school will appeal....her passport is still on hold....it is a civil matter and in korea....a foreigner's passport CAN be held until the issue is resolved. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: people always want to look innocent |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
UPDATE
It's a true situation.....just revenge sought by the school owner is all it is. Period.
Of course two sides to every story....but as of yesterday...she won her case in court...the judge ruled in her favor...this time she had a lawyer and help from some foreigner group.....but..it's round one and the school will appeal....her passport is still on hold....it is a civil matter and in korea....a foreigner's passport CAN be held until the issue is resolved. |
I'm glad that she has won the first round, and I'm also glad that a Korean court is not showing prejudice against a foreigner. Perhaps when this is all over, the hagwon and director in question can be named and shamed online. In the meantime, I wish the teacher good luck. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh that's good. I am glad it's in her favour. I hope everything works out now. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there anyone who knows a lawyer or someone with legal expertise that could verify if this is possible - that if you are sued in civil court in Korea, you cannot leave the country until the case has been decided? |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: the school can appeal |
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| In korea you can appeal three times. With the delays and hassles and the three appeal rule, she is looking at a serious delay in getting out of here and a new job. |
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rel
Joined: 10 May 2005
Location: Toronto
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, since the teacher cant leave the country or work, she can just teach privately for some cash, and if she does get caught, she can get deported back  |
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MixtecaMike
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
Location: 3rd Largest Train Station in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
| ...I'm a fellow teacher and am robotically supposed to line up and blindly take another teachers side even when given vague, one-sided accounts of a situation. |
How many people are thinking exactly the same thing? There are surely as many crackpot "strangee" teachers in this country as there are evil wongjans.
Hands up those who remember the "please help the innocent Canadians arrested unfairly blah, blah, blah" post and the "please help the innocent female teacher who got beat up by blah, blah, blah" posts?
No one is innocent. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| MixtecaMike wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| ...I'm a fellow teacher and am robotically supposed to line up and blindly take another teachers side even when given vague, one-sided accounts of a situation. |
How many people are thinking exactly the same thing? There are surely as many crackpot "strangee" teachers in this country as there are evil wongjans.
Hands up those who remember the "please help the innocent Canadians arrested unfairly blah, blah, blah" post and the "please help the innocent female teacher who got beat up by blah, blah, blah" posts?
No one is innocent. |
See, here's the problem: If you want to be objective, then you would put your money where your mouth is and try to sound objective. Complaining about the subjectivity of others - while at the same time writing in a blatently subjective / emotive manner - is not likely to win over converts. In extreme cases, it may actually push fence-sitters over to the opposite side. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| MixtecaMike wrote: |
| chronicpride wrote: |
| ...I'm a fellow teacher and am robotically supposed to line up and blindly take another teachers side even when given vague, one-sided accounts of a situation. |
How many people are thinking exactly the same thing? There are surely as many crackpot "strangee" teachers in this country as there are evil wongjans.
Hands up those who remember the "please help the innocent Canadians arrested unfairly blah, blah, blah" post and the "please help the innocent female teacher who got beat up by blah, blah, blah" posts?
No one is innocent. |
I'll take that a bit further. In my past experience as a recruiter for over a year and also some time as a foreign teacher manager, and dealing with all different volumes of schools, recruiters, hogwan associations, immigration, and teachers, it is remarkable how much teacher BS that is happening, but doesn't get let on here. It's almost become taboo to cry foul on teachers here. The prevalence of teacher BS just seems implausible from the filtered vantage point of eslcafe, because all we get is one-sided stuff and that primes people to believe that anything to the contrary is unrealistic or unlikely.
Some on here may argue, 'yeah, well it's the industry's fault, they started it'. That would apply if most teachers were industry savvy and/or jaded going into these jobs. But the vast majority, I'd even say upwards of 80% of all the resumes that were coming to us, have never set foot in here before and are coming in very green, through recruiters ads in classifieds, campus recruiting and Monster.
When I first got into that side of the business, I thought that the crap that I would have to deal with is dirty hagwon owner wrangling and fending off crooked recruiters. I was completely broadsided and thoroughly fucked up the ass by countless teachers and BS stories and have been 3rd party witness to a ton of BS that goes down between school and teacher, where the teacher was way out of line, but then pulls me aside later to debate their version of what they think actually happened. Twice, I've seen teachers put up filtered versions of the truth on this site, where I was privy to what actually transpired.
After a year of all that, it was the dealing with teachers that drove me out of working on that side of the fence. Hence why I think most blacklists and cries for help are worthless, filtered pieces of shit. Give me a phone number of a blacklisted school so I can talk to the director and give me a cell number of a 3rd party witness to the teacher's situation. After listening to all of the different sides and weighing the story together, only then will I consider lining up and giving words of support or going to bat for a teacher. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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I'd post more, but Chronic said it all.
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