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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: I'm close to laying blame on Ray Nagan |
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I've decided the one we can blame the New Orleans mess on is Ray Nagan, the mayor, and the local government there.
Seeing the photos of dozens of the empty school buses lined up and flooded tells me that the resources were there for him to get the people of N.O. out of there.
Census reports, according to Tim Russert CBS clips, pointed out that there were something like 150,000 people in that area who had no transportation or means of getting out in case of a storm. They knew these reports. When shown a photo of the buses, and asked why there weren't used, Nagan responded (after his now usual speel about the Federal Gov't breakdown) that, "there weren't enough drivers who stayed around for us to make use of them."
That is more than enough for me to lay blame on the local government. Forget the levees. The levees they would have built wouldn't have been enough if they had been funded. The fault lies with Nagan because there was no clear plan to make sure drivers were in place for buses, and it is apparent that Nagan and the local government had only a "plan on paper" that was not viable.
You can blame the national government and Bush for the slow response, if you want, but the reason this mess involved so many displaced people with nowhere to go is because the local government had no solid plan of action. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: |
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That's no fun...
These people want Bush's head on a platter. They don't want some liberal Democrat to be at fault! You have to change your opinion if you want to post here!
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
That's no fun...
These people want Bush's head on a platter. They don't want some liberal Democrat to be at fault! You have to change your opinion if you want to post here!
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That's your best defense of Bush? Your defenses of America by the hate-baiters, btw, haven't seemed to me especially eloquent either.
I'm one of these people who can have it both ways. Local and Federal officials both screwed up that day. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:22 am Post subject: |
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How about this?
Not getting the people evacuated before the storm.....local and state officals fault.
The extremely slow response to the aftermath.....the Feds. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Pligganease wrote: |
That's no fun...
These people want Bush's head on a platter. They don't want some liberal Democrat to be at fault! You have to change your opinion if you want to post here!
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That's your best defense of Bush? Your defenses of America by the hate-baiters, btw, haven't seemed to me especially eloquent either.
I'm one of these people who can have it both ways. Local and Federal officials both screwed up that day. |
Are you on meth?
I wasn't defending Bush, I was simply making a statment about the common thinking that is seen on this board. If you make one positive claim about George Bush, then you are his best friend and propoganda chief. You can't support him on anything, according to this board.
And, as you can so easily tell, I don't write things on here to impress people with my ability to write. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Alias wrote: |
How about this?
Not getting the people evacuated before the storm.....local and state officals fault.
The extremely slow response to the aftermath.....the Feds. |
And did the storm itself play any role? |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, since the state and local governments are the main responsible parties (read the laws) then I would say the local and state govs are the first, and mostly, to blame....
they fucked up, pure and simple.....too bad Rudi wasn't in charge |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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The guy put on an amusing speech.
but i think you're right, could've ordered his response a bit better. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Alias wrote: |
How about this?
Not getting the people evacuated before the storm.....local and state officals fault.
The extremely slow response to the aftermath.....the Feds. |
And did the storm itself play any role? |
Oh come on! We all know that eeeevil U.S. and their wanton pollution of nature CAUSED this storm thereby making it their own fault.
Uhhhhh....something like that. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
they *beep* up, pure and simple.....too bad Rudi wasn't in charge |
What difference would he have made? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| I'm close to laying blame on Ray Nagan |
So, have you laid blame yet? How close are you?
This close?
Bigblackequus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Poor old Ray nagin
or this close?
Bigbadequus>Raymond nagin. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: Re: I'm close to laying blame on Ray Nagan |
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| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
I've decided the one we can blame the New Orleans mess on is Ray Nagan, the mayor, and the local government there...
...You can blame the national government and Bush for the slow response, if you want, but the reason this mess involved so many displaced people with nowhere to go is because the local government had no solid plan of action. |
This nearly utter BS. Give me a freaking break. the ONLY entitiy that did a damned thing before the hurricane hit was Nagin. He ordered an unprecedented MANDATORY evacuation and opened centers in the city for those that could not get out. Could he have done more? I'm sure time will bear out. HOWEVER, of all the entities bearing blame to focus on the ONE person who came closest to actually doing their job is sickening. And based on ONE PICTURE???
Open your eyes! Remember that once the national emergency response kicks in the Feds are in charge. Enough of this, "the local government is supposed to do it, boo hoo." When was the last time you EVER saw the Feds not ride rouhshod over a local gov't? Seriously! This is the first and *only* case in which a federal disaster was proclaimed that I've heard the state and local governments described as being responsible. And why? Because the freaking response *itself* was a disaster.
Your post wasn't worth a response, but it got one anyone for the sheer depth of.... #$%^@#$^!!!! |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Well put.
Excellent points.
My only genuine criticism would be that the guy's name be changed to Naked Raygun, a classic punk band from that Reagan era.
Aside from that, I like the exclusive blame being put on locals. It allows us to remain patriotic while we watch dead locals swim in the human stew their own locals are responsible for.
Next time a storm like this comes around, maybe we could properly play "the blame game" as a reality show, with local officials tossed into the maelstrom to "plug the dike".
Meanwhile, after days of misery, the President could find out what's actually happening via a personal update by Jeff Probst. He could then fly in with an attache of firefighters and pin the immunity necklace on one of the "true survivors", and their prize, a black Equus, so they can cruise out of the filth-smeared, bullet-riddled, dead-littered Convention Center in true class.
Seriously, you who still seek to keep the blame localized must be might upset that "eeeevil Bushie" has sidelined his Arabian horse judge, no? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:33 am Post subject: Re: I'm close to laying blame on Ray Nagan |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
I've decided the one we can blame the New Orleans mess on is Ray Nagan, the mayor, and the local government there...
...You can blame the national government and Bush for the slow response, if you want, but the reason this mess involved so many displaced people with nowhere to go is because the local government had no solid plan of action. |
This nearly utter BS. Give me a freaking break. the ONLY entitiy that did a damned thing before the hurricane hit was Nagin. He ordered an unprecedented MANDATORY evacuation and opened centers in the city for those that could not get out. Could he have done more? I'm sure time will bear out. HOWEVER, of all the entities bearing blame to focus on the ONE person who came closest to actually doing their job is sickening. And based on ONE PICTURE???
Open your eyes! Remember that once the national emergency response kicks in the Feds are in charge. Enough of this, "the local government is supposed to do it, boo hoo." When was the last time you EVER saw the Feds not ride rouhshod over a local gov't? Seriously! This is the first and *only* case in which a federal disaster was proclaimed that I've heard the state and local governments described as being responsible. And why? Because the freaking response *itself* was a disaster.
Your post wasn't worth a response, but it got one anyone for the sheer depth of.... #$%^@#$^!!!! |
Yeah, yeah, we know you're a Bush-hater. What else is new? The state and local governments ARE responsible for having some sort of plan which most of them didn't or their plans were totally inadequate. Here take a look at this article from Florida. They've been down this road before. Palm Beash Post
Here are some highlights...
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| Florida emergency planners criticized and even rebuked their counterparts -- or what passes for emergency planners -- in those states for their handling of Hurricane Katrina. Gov. Jeb Bush, the head of Florida AHCA and the head of Florida wildlife (which is responsible for all search and rescue) all said they made offers of aid to Mississippi and Louisiana the day before Katrina hit but were rebuffed. After the storm, they said they've had to not only help provide people to those states but also have had to develop search and rescue plans for them. "They were completely unprepared -- as bad off as we were before Andrew," one Florida official said. |
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| Louisiana also lacked an adequate plan to evacuate New Orleans, despite years of research that predicted a disaster equal to or worse than Katrina. Even after a disaster test run last year exposed weaknesses in evacuation and recovery, officials failed to come up with solutions. |
Yes, I know this kind of thing flies in the face of those of you who believe the federal government is responsible for holding our hands from cradle to grave, but they just simply are not and should not be. Then again, some of you are just eeeeevil Bushie haters and spew like good liberals. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: ... |
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OK, Wango
Let's play more than the reactionary.
"Eeeevil Bushie" sidelined Brownie.
Is that just him kowtowing to people like me, or was it justified? |
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