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Evolutionist's have missed the beginning AND the end!
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fiveeagles



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Evolutionist's have missed the beginning AND the end! Reply with quote

The problem with evolutionary thought is the rational that intellect and technology will solve all of the world's problems. Not only have the major think tanks wronged people with believing that the world was created out of chaos, but have seriously errored in not recongnizing the consequence of sin. Not realizing that a wrathful and revengeful Lord is coming back for His bride. His Holy love will consume all sin and wickedness that prevents the fullness of His love being released in His bride.

Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Wars are just the beginning of God's judgments.

Maybe we will be able to sign up the crew from Armageddon and hope they will come up with an idea that circumvent the wrath of the Lord? Maybe the nuclear scientists will come up with nuclear technology to destroy His return? Or maybe they will resurrect Bruce Willis with another body and allow him to stop the terror.

His burning love will either consumes us in Freedom or will destoy us in sin.

Katrina, a judgment from God?
The Spiritual Lessons of Katrina:

The most common question I have been asked about this tragedy is, ��Is this storm judgment from God?�� Without question the answer to this is ��yes,�� but it is very important that we understand why it is.

Why did this storm have to come and hit the places that it did? We need to understand a couple of basic things about God��s judgment. First, God��s judgment does not necessarily mean condemnation, but it is also evidence of His love. That may seem very hard to see in this situation now, but it will be obvious later.

It is because God��s judgment is evidence of His love that we are told in I Peter 4:17, ��For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God...�� The Lord judges and disciplines His people because He loves them. Katrina is actually evidence of God��s love for America and the Gulf Coast, for which He has a special purpose. Before we address this in a bit more detail, consider the following from Hebrews 12:7-13, which is especially applicable regarding for Hurricane Katrina:

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?

For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, that we may share His holiness.

All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble,

and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.

The Gulf Coast region has a major purpose—one of the greatest revivals in our nation��s history is going to break out in that area and will result in the salvation of many souls for every one that has been lost by this disaster. The recent Pensacola Revival was just a small beginning and forerunner for what is coming.

Some of God��s great churches and people are presently in that area, and they will arise stronger than ever from this storm. However, much of that region was sinking deeper and deeper into a depravity and darkness, which if it had been allowed to continue, the Lord would have had to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. It was getting that bad.

The ��Day of Decadence�� that had been planned for New Orleans last week was still celebrated by about two dozen people, but it had been planned for tens of thousands. They had intended to flaunt perversion by performing it openly in the streets of New Orleans as honored guests of the city. The toxic flood waters in that city reflected what it had become spiritually. This toxic water is now being dumped right into the Mississippi, from which it will flow right into the Gulf of Mexico, doing terrible damage to the environment far beyond that city, which is a good reflection of the damage that this city was doing to many.

God has something better planned for that region, but the price paid for this tragedy will end up being higher than anyone has yet been willing to say publicly. We must learn this lesson so that we do not have to pay it again. We also need to start praying now for other regions of the country which have fallen to great depravity, that they would repent so the coming judgment already assigned to them will not have to be as devastating. Presently what will be coming to other parts of the country will be worse than Katrina.

Katrina means ��to clean�� or ��to purify,�� which is exactly what the end result of that storm will be. It was sent to begin cleaning up an important region of the country that has an important destiny. It can be rebuilt and be much better than before, spiritually, and in the natural.

There is a saying that ��If you do not change your direction you will end up where you are headed.�� The end result of Katrina will be to radically change the spiritual direction of that region, and it will be something far better than it was before. It was a severe discipline, but it had to be. If there is not repentance, the region will be hit again and New Orleans will not be rebuilt.
To read of the article, go to www.rickjoyner.com and read through his articles.

Cheers
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't really read your post, but I wasn't around for the beginning and have serious doubts that I'll be around for the end so it's no skin off my nose.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just what this board needs: another fricken evangelist - this guy makes me look good [at least I'm non-sectarian and have some tolerance, common sense and (a little) good taste...] Rolling Eyes

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Pangit



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
at least I'm non-sectarian and have some tolerance, common sense and - a little - good taste... Rolling Eyes

Well, 2 out of 3 at any rate.
Wink
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I'm batting .667 - should be good enough for the batting title. (And if I said I was "handsome" it'd be .750... Razz )
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*updates list of Dave's ESL nutjobs*
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Red



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps we can use this opportunity to get fiveeagles to explain to us how unwed mothers caused 9/11.
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red you are misinformed, it was because Ellen Degeneres is hosting the Emmys

(seriously)
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Dispatched



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just suppose there was a god, ya know, for arguments sake. And let's suppose he/she/it/they did indeed send Tsunamis and Hurricanes to teach us a lesson.
What kind of loving diety is that??? Sounds more like a vengeful, self absorbed a$$hole.
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Swiss James



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dispatched wrote:
Let's just suppose there was a god, ya know, for arguments sake. And let's suppose he/she/it/they did indeed send Tsunamis and Hurricanes to teach us a lesson.
What kind of loving diety is that??? Sounds more like a vengeful, self absorbed a$$hole.


you've got it backwards- it's Pat Robertson that's a vengeful, self-absorbed..
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Evolutionist's have missed the beginning AND the end! Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
The problem with evolutionary thought is the rational that intellect and technology will solve all of the world's problems. Not only have the major think tanks wronged people with believing that the world was created out of chaos, but have seriously errored in not recongnizing the consequence of sin. Not realizing that a wrathful and revengeful Lord is coming back for His bride. His Holy love will consume all sin and wickedness that prevents the fullness of His love being released in His bride.

Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Hurricanes, Wars are just the beginning of God's judgments.

Maybe we will be able to sign up the crew from Armageddon and hope they will come up with an idea that circumvent the wrath of the Lord? Maybe the nuclear scientists will come up with nuclear technology to destroy His return? Or maybe they will resurrect Bruce Willis with another body and allow him to stop the terror.

His burning love will either consumes us in Freedom or will destoy us in sin.

Katrina, a judgment from God?
The Spiritual Lessons of Katrina:

The most common question I have been asked about this tragedy is, ��Is this storm judgment from God?�� Without question the answer to this is ��yes,�� but it is very important that we understand why it is.

Why did this storm have to come and hit the places that it did? We need to understand a couple of basic things about God��s judgment. First, God��s judgment does not necessarily mean condemnation, but it is also evidence of His love. That may seem very hard to see in this situation now, but it will be obvious later.

It is because God��s judgment is evidence of His love that we are told in I Peter 4:17, ��For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God...�� The Lord judges and disciplines His people because He loves them. Katrina is actually evidence of God��s love for America and the Gulf Coast, for which He has a special purpose. Before we address this in a bit more detail, consider the following from Hebrews 12:7-13, which is especially applicable regarding for Hurricane Katrina:

It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?

For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, that we may share His holiness.

All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak and the knees that are feeble,

and make straight paths for your feet, so that the limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.

The Gulf Coast region has a major purpose—one of the greatest revivals in our nation��s history is going to break out in that area and will result in the salvation of many souls for every one that has been lost by this disaster. The recent Pensacola Revival was just a small beginning and forerunner for what is coming.

Some of God��s great churches and people are presently in that area, and they will arise stronger than ever from this storm. However, much of that region was sinking deeper and deeper into a depravity and darkness, which if it had been allowed to continue, the Lord would have had to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. It was getting that bad.

The ��Day of Decadence�� that had been planned for New Orleans last week was still celebrated by about two dozen people, but it had been planned for tens of thousands. They had intended to flaunt perversion by performing it openly in the streets of New Orleans as honored guests of the city. The toxic flood waters in that city reflected what it had become spiritually. This toxic water is now being dumped right into the Mississippi, from which it will flow right into the Gulf of Mexico, doing terrible damage to the environment far beyond that city, which is a good reflection of the damage that this city was doing to many.

God has something better planned for that region, but the price paid for this tragedy will end up being higher than anyone has yet been willing to say publicly. We must learn this lesson so that we do not have to pay it again. We also need to start praying now for other regions of the country which have fallen to great depravity, that they would repent so the coming judgment already assigned to them will not have to be as devastating. Presently what will be coming to other parts of the country will be worse than Katrina.

Katrina means ��to clean�� or ��to purify,�� which is exactly what the end result of that storm will be. It was sent to begin cleaning up an important region of the country that has an important destiny. It can be rebuilt and be much better than before, spiritually, and in the natural.

There is a saying that ��If you do not change your direction you will end up where you are headed.�� The end result of Katrina will be to radically change the spiritual direction of that region, and it will be something far better than it was before. It was a severe discipline, but it had to be. If there is not repentance, the region will be hit again and New Orleans will not be rebuilt.
To read of the article, go to www.rickjoyner.com and read through his articles.

Cheers


So if tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, and wars are God's judgment for sin, he started His judging a few billion years ago. Do you realize how insane it is to think that natural disasters are God's judgment for sin? Could anything be more subjective? Let's go with your line of thinking for a bit.

(1) If natural disasters are God's judgment on sin, he sure does a helluva job missing the targets. Innocents die by the thousands, and the most guilty usually get away.
(2) Fundamentalist evangelicals are doing more to destroy the earth than anyone else, since they believe destruction is inevitable. I guess there's no reason to even try preserving the environment if God's gonna end it anyway.
(3) After God supposedly went all out and scrificed his Son for the salvation of mankind, He still feels to need to wipe out a few hundred thousand every year. Why? Just to get our attention?

Another thing that bothers me about most people who post religious oriented material on this board is that they (and you) seem to be incapable of making a distinction other than (A) fundamentalist Christians and (B) reprobate heathen. Why such extremes? Are you so sheltered that you do no think there are conservative Christians who accept the theory of evolution, not because they've bought into a lie, but because they have come to a rational, scientific conclusion about beginnings?

It seems that the fundie Christians on this board think a person has to accept the evil of homosexuality and a literal 6-day creation in order to be "saved." Of course, this idea cannot be found in the Bible. With each post, all you are doing is driving people further away from your goal of conversion. Is it more important for people to think God created the world in 6 days, or for them to accept His love for them?

Peace,
Daniel
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I want to know is.... Do us sodemites still get an awesome place in Hell?
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kermo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Christian enough to annoy most people, but these line makes no sense to me, the spelling and grammar mishaps notwithstanding:
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His burning love will either consumes us in Freedom or will destoy us in sin.


God's love is an invitation, not a judgement. Our choices are what destroy us.

Natural disasters are associated with the "end times" but read Matthew 24 and look at what Jesus has to say about them. They're not designed to "take out the bad guys." In fact, Jesus expresses compassion for the pregnant or nursing mothers caught up in the unrest.

I was sad when I realized this post wasn't a joke.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Evolutionists have missed the beginning AND the end! Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:
The problem with evolutionary thought is the rational that intellect and technology will solve all of the world's problems.


No. I'm not sure how evolution has anything to do with solving the world's problems. I don't know many evolutionary scientists that claim what they're working on will solve a single problem in the world. I don't know many scientists, intellects, and (even) engineers that think a solution to all of the world's problems will come out of a science lab. Could you direct me to a legit scientist who has argued this?
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