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Nowhere Man
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igotthisguitar
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Wow ... who woulda guessed it eh? Gov't stonewalling? 9/11 Whitewash?
Thanks for helping to keep Dave's ESL readers informed  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=43081
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According to Weldon, a classified military intelligence unit called "Able Danger" identified Atta and three other hijackers in 1999 as potential members of a terrorist cell in New York City. Weldon said Pentagon lawyers rejected the unit's recommendation that the information be turned over to the FBI in 2000.
According to Pentagon documents, the information was not shared because of concerns about pursuing information on "U.S. persons," a legal term that includes U.S. citizens as well as foreigners legally admitted to the country. |
Why the US needs the Patriot act.
And of course the should keep followers of Jeff Rense from obtaining US visas. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:51 am Post subject: |
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According to Weldon, a classified military intelligence unit called "Able Danger" identified Atta and three other hijackers in 1999 as potential members of a terrorist cell in New York City. Weldon said Pentagon lawyers rejected the unit's recommendation that the information be turned over to the FBI in 2000.
According to Pentagon documents, the information was not shared because of concerns about pursuing information on "U.S. persons," a legal term that includes U.S. citizens as well as foreigners legally admitted to the country. |
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| Why the US needs the Patriot act. |
More like why the Shadow Gov't 9/11 insiders knew exactly what was coming & allowed it to happen.
Wonderful pretext to "protect" US citizens' freedoms & liberties ... by taking them away 
Problem, reaction, solution.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sept11_hijackers;_ylt=AkOcOzUhzoFg6TChYbKZy8oDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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fact is that the Pentagon did not get involved cause they were afraid to violate the rights of foreigners who were in the US legally.
Funny that a supporter of Jeff Rense who is a fan of Hitler and Zundel is worried about civil liberties of Americans.
You just want Al Qaida to go free in the US cause you hate the US. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:17 am Post subject: |
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http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=43081
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According to Weldon, a classified military intelligence unit called "Able Danger" identified Atta and three other hijackers in 1999 as potential members of a terrorist cell in New York City. Weldon said Pentagon lawyers rejected the unit's recommendation that the information be turned over to the FBI in 2000.
According to Pentagon documents, the information was not shared because of concerns about pursuing information on "U.S. persons," a legal term that includes U.S. citizens as well as foreigners legally admitted to the country. |
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The US needs some of the Patriot Act. But certainly not the more dubious stuff the Supreme Court has deemed unconstitutional. In Joo's defense, however, I understand what he is saying. There is much of the Patriot Act that is undisputedly sound reform that facilitates intelligence sharing and inter-agency co-operation. But even people like Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean don't want to scrap the Pat Act outright. That's just the demand of the hyper-Left. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:19 am Post subject: |
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I don't think the Patriot act goes far enough. This is the world we live in.
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U.S. Terrorism Threats: Overconfidence in California?
Hamid Hayat, a California man who has been held on charges of lying to federal authorities about attending a terrorist training camp in Pakistan, was accused in federal court in Sacramento on Sept. 22 of providing material support to terrorists. The indictment alleges that Hayat "intended, upon receipt of orders from other individuals, to wage jihad (holy war) in the United States."
In June, federal authorities arrested Hayat, his father and three others from the same mosque in Lodi, Calif., near Sacramento -- later issuing deportation orders for the non-U.S. citizens among them. In announcing the latest Hayat indictment, U.S. Attorney McGregor Scott said authorities do not know what kind of plot was being hatched at the mosque, but that it had been stopped.
Scott's remarks could be premature.
Terrorist networks often are composed of multiple cells, one or more of them capable of operating independently and carrying out attacks after another has been broken up. For security reasons, terrorist cells often have no knowledge of the activities or status of one another. The December 2004 attack against the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, is a case in point. Saudi counterterrorism forces exposed one of the two cells the previous month, but the attack proceeded -- and five consulate employees died, none of them U.S. nationals. Four members of the Saudi military and three of the five attackers also died in the attack.
Attacks also have occurred after authorities believed they had thwarted the entire plot. In 1997, U.S. counterterrorism authorities suspected that an attack was being planned against the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. The investigation led to Wadih el Hage, who authorities say had been Osama bin Laden's close confidant and personal secretary. U.S. and Kenyan authorities searched el Hage's home but the suspect managed to flee Kenya in September 1997, leading U.S. officials to believe they had thwarted the attack. On Aug. 7, 1998, the U.S. Embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, were simultaneously attacked with massive truck bombs, killing more than 220 people.
The exposure of one cell or individual involved in a terrorist plot does not mean that other attacks are not being planned in the same area. In June 1993 -- four months after the World Trade Center bombing -- U.S. authorities raided a warehouse in Queens, N.Y., based on a tip from informants. The warehouse allegedly was being used by followers of blind Egyptian cleric Omar Abdel-Rahman to mix explosives to use in attacks against targets in New York, including the FBI building and U.N. headquarters. Abdel-Rahman, who was arrested in 1993 along with nine of his followers, was convicted in October 1995 of "seditious conspiracy." He is serving a life sentence.
Although the investigation into Hayat's activities resulted in multiple arrests and deportations, it is possible that only one part of a larger plot has been exposed. It also is possible that some other aspect of human or tactical intelligence has been overlooked, leaving other cells uninvestigated. After the Lodi arrests, any other cell in the area would have gone underground for a time to keep from being exposed. If that is the case, Scott could be overconfident.
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