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[Kuros]

It would be irresponsible for me to post the whole thing. But here is the link.

Please refrain from anti-American troll baiting here.

Here are some excerpts:

PUCs are Persons Under Control

[Hater Depot]

It doesn't really seem to matter what revelations come out, does it? About half the country has decided to stick by Bush and Co. no matter what they do or how badly they screw up. American conservatives used to crow about accountability and responsibility but they're certainly not demandng any from their leaders.

[supernick]

From what I remember reading on this board, is that the abuse stemmed from a few bad apples, and that those individuals have been dealt with by U.S. military justice, which is better than what would have happened if these events would have occured on Saddam's watch.

Oh, there's also that other tid-bit I remember; The insurgents are breaching international law all the time, while the U.S is in breach of it some of the time.

Anyway, these stories are nothing compared to what Saddam had done. Rememer he's the guy that through prisoners into wood chippers, according to another poster.

So just remember guys; it might be bad what has happened but it's OK because those who are responisible will be brought to justice, which is better than what would have happened in Iraq before the war.

And, for the question I was asked; Would you condone torture if it provided information that would possibly save the life of a family memeber or a loved one? Do you think the person who asked this question condones torture?

When these stories of abuse first surfaced, the world may have been outraged at first, but for me, I've just become accustomed to them as they have become the expected norm. What is shocking is that there are people who somehow try to defend or justify these abuses. Kind of sad, really.

[mithridates]

What's shocking is the ease in which it happened - I doubt that anyone in 2000 seriously would have thought that acts of torture would be condoned with nary a whimper a mere five years down the road. Well, actually three.

[Kuros]

[mithridates]

I suspect that the 'neener neener' post comes from exasperation. Sometimes you can't help but laugh when you see some of the excuses we've seen for torture.

Like this:

[Kuros]

[mithridates]

Out of curiosity, what would happen to you personally if this status quo we have now were to continue for another two terms for example? Say Jeb or someone else like Bush were to get into power and nothing was ever done about it. I think that a lot of people are just putting up with it for the time being in the hopes that the next administration will make things right again.

[Kuros]

[mithridates]

I'd say it's time for a new uncle. He's wrong on so many levels.
1)I doubt that he's extrapolated far enough to realize that teaching a few hundred thousand young troops that torture is okay if necessary is not, and will not be good for the whole of society once they come home
2)Israel would probably balk at his comparison
3)One glimpse at Iceland shows what a country can do if they really want to get off the oil addiction

What was the name of that gunman that terrorized the northeast for a number of days by just killing random people? He was a soldier in the Gulf War, and that one didn't even last long let alone condone torture.

Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets....I suspect we'll be getting a bit of that once the war's over.

[rapier]

[bucheon bum]

[mithridates]

I suspect that your not caring about torture itself is only in a scholarly, distant and general sort of way. You might find yourself caring a bit more when you find out that the guy sitting across the bar that decides he doesn't like you is a dude that spent the last six months in Iraq bludgeoning prisoners unconscious for amusement and perhaps the odd tidbit of information. On your tax dollars too.

[bucheon bum]

yup, pretty much.

[mithridates]

Hey, was that big protest yesterday close to where you live?