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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
| Remember folks, if it wasn't for the US imperialists and Israel (this can be substituted for Chechnya or Kashmir, or any other alleged oppression) the world of Islam would be one of joy, tolerance and overall loveliness, and not the domain of intolerance, misogyny, and violent Jihad. Islam is no more intolerant or oppressive than any other religion. If you repeat this enough times it becomes true! |
I believe I was talking about the recently-written constitution in Iraq. Still trying to guess what you are talking about.
Exclamation marks in a message board post are nearly always signs of desperation. Mouth-frothing, bigverne ... here, let me get you a napkin, can't go out in public with that saliva dripping off your face.
Take a few breaths and calm down, then you can pretend to the world you are something close to rational ... until the next seizure, that is. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| I believe I was talking about the recently-written constitution in Iraq. |
And you blamed the popularity of the Islamists on the US. How do you then explain the electoral success of the Islamists in Algeria, and the recent election of a hardline Islamist president in Iran? Are these reactions to US imperialism, or are they expressions of popular attachment to Islam and Shariah? |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| I believe I was talking about the recently-written constitution in Iraq. |
And you blamed the popularity of the Islamists on the US. How do you then explain the electoral success of the Islamists in Algeria, and the recent election of a hardline Islamist president in Iran? Are these reactions to US imperialism, or are they expressions of popular attachment to Islam and Shariah? |
I haven't used any kinds of words that resemble "US imperialism," I wasn't hungry at this time of night, so I won't thank you for putting words in my mouth that I didn't ask for ... more signs of desperate behavior.
Libya's pretty far from iraw on the map, but if the pro-war crowd can say that the Iraq war had a hand in his recent change of heart, then yeah, I think I can say that Iraq has had a hand in elections of extremist politicians in Algeria. Why do you think otherwise?
Oh, yeah, I forgot ... it's because Islam is eeeevvvviiiilllll!!!!!!!
(These are ironic exclamation marks - see, it's all in fun, I'm jabbing at you by pretending to be as desperate and clutching for straws as you are. Ain't I cute?) |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly wouldn't have trouble with the lies if the war were conducted well, and I believe Saddam was certainly a threat if not an imminent one.
While I might have opinions about the cynicism involved in your complacency toward being told lies as a pretext for putting young military people from my country in harm's way, I'll let that slide. At the time of the invasion Iraq had been so crippled by more than a decade of sanctions that Saddam was no longer a threat to ANYone. I don't know where you get this stuff, you seem like a very intelligent most of the time.
Um, that was intended as a compliment, so do the mental gymnastics required to accept it in that way ... |
I realize that my above statement is controversial, and frankly I don't mind so much that it is. Insofar as Saddam being a threat, well, he certainly was. A great threat? Perhaps not. An imminant threat? Not really. But the Kay Reports showed that Saddam was trying to purchase long-range missile technology from the North Koreans as late as 2002. Once you get those missiles, it is 6-8 weeks for a crash chemical weapons program and you have yourself not just a deterent but an offensive weapon. Saddam is special in that we cannot assume it is deterent considering he launched Scuds into Tel Aviv during the Gulf War.
As for the lies not bothering me if the war were conducted well, this is a little more controversial. I am quite happy few people agree with me on this. However, in a democracy sometimes it is impossible to convince people to do what is good for them in a straightforward manner. A leader may find it necessary to lie in certain circumstances to protect the commonwealth. I don't think Iraq is one of these acceptable cases, and I think that we can hardly call the lie advantageous to the commonwealth, much less necessary. |
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