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Homer
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| As I said Jong it was pure Gold! |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: hmmm |
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If you have a job now using a fake degree then buy a ticket, send the rest of the money home and go to the airport and get out!
Why is this so hard to understand.....do not tell anyone and do not warn the school.....just get out !
If you stay and are caught then you can burn for being stupid. |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
If you have a job now using a fake degree then buy a ticket, send the rest of the money home and go to the airport and get out!
Why is this so hard to understand.....do not tell anyone and do not warn the school.....just get out !
If you stay and are caught then you can burn for being stupid. |
Who, pray tell are you talking to? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, that makes me wonder. What chance do you think someone has of getting out if they borrow a passport from a friend that looks like them. Then return home. Then the friend waits a week to report the passport stolen/missing, and gets a new one? |
First of all if the person got caught at the airport the friend would be in trouble too. I doubt that the person at the airport is going to say "Yeah I stole the passport" even to keep his friend out of trouble. That would just mean more problems for him.
As for getting a new passport it's not that easy. I know. I lost mine, and it was a headache and expensive to get it replaced. And why ANYONE would lend anyone else their passport (particularly if it was someone they only met over here)? Identity theft is very profitable these days and can end up being a very expensive thing even if only for a week. |
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billi
Joined: 05 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: mass round up |
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| if anyone is stuck in this situation and needs some advice I know a lot of facts and may be able to help you out |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| YoungLi wrote: |
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| In China, fake degrees can be bought near major universities. One unemployed guy actually bought a back street masters degree and scored a job at a chinese uni. He managed to keep his job for a few weeks before students questioned his competence related to subject knowledge. |
It is my understanding that China is generally very tough on crime. Perhaps it is an understatement considering that country's long history of human rights abuses  . I wonder if that "unemployed guy" ever went to jail (Chinese torture) and what became of those involved in the "back street" market of selling fake degrees. I shudder to know the consequences  . Why on earth would someone be stupid enough risk everything for a job, especially in China of all places   
Degrees are not bought or stolen. They are something to be earned and once earned can never be taken away from you so long as you live. It's your education, a wealth of knowledge that you bring with you wherever you go in life. A piece of paper that shows certification is only proof of your degree, but not the degree itself!
Sometimes I am offended when I read such statements as, "send your degree to xyz" and I think to myself they really need to rephrase this request. They should say something along the lines of, "send the official certificate showing proof of your degree to xyz." It's a certificate not a degree Again, a degree is NOT a piece of paper but if it were I could buy duplicate copies of my degree over and over for $50.00 each from my university. Nevertheless, I would still only hold ONE degree from that university. |
http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/sandt/diplomafake.html
An excerpt(legal fair use) of the original article:
In back alleys near famed universities such as Beijing University, Qinghua University, university diplomas are sold for 500 - 600 RMB. In Shanghai, not only are university degrees but also certificates from state organizations certifying a technical qualification. These aren't bad quality fakes but good quality certificates with anti-counterfeiting watermarks.
In Changsha, Hunan is the counterfeit certificate street known nation-wide. Several dozen fake certificate merchants sell their wares there on any business day. Fake certificates can also be seen on the streets of Shenzhen, including fake Hong Kong ID cards.
Yangzi Evening News recently reported the case of a young Anhui farmer who bought a fake master's degree from Beijing Normal University for 2000 RMB. The farmer got a job at a certain institution of higher learning in the Nanjing area. He taught philosophy to several dozen students for six months before the low quality of his classes made clear just how low his standards really were.
The PLA Daily has also reported that the proliferation of fake graduation diplomas within the military has also become a serious problem. For example, the Beijing Military District found fifteen officers and soldiers with fake diplomas in a certain artillery brigade.
Recently fake diplomas surfaced in a big corruption case. It was disclosed that former Jiangxi Vice Governor Hu Zhangqing had two fake Beijing University diplomas that were bought on the street in the Zhong Guan Cun district near the university. This is just the tip of the iceberg as for fake diplomas among China's high officials.
Three years ago, Shenzhen government set up a Diploma Certification Center that gathered real diplomas from schools all over China to help it determine whether a certificate is genuine or not. People who have fake diplomas are entered into a blacklist that is on the city network so that they will be denied employment. The Center charges 10 RMB for verifying a diploma. The Center has already checked about 10,000 diplomas. Ten percent were fake.
There's a street an hours travel from me which I call "Counterfeit Street" because from what I've seen, the plant at all of these side-by-side hole-in-the-wall outfits, are fully operation to "create" or remaster documents.
According to the current law surrounding degrees, if one is a bona fide graduate, one is also legally entitled to redesign their diploma.(this came from a poster/legal expert on an online education forum in regards to degree authentification who had actually finished consulting with his attorney about that very topic). If I do such a thing myself, the originals will always be used for job procurement purposes, the rest, for aesthetic purposes only.
As far as dishonesty is concerned, in the age of the internet, distance is no longer a barrier providing cover for persons so inclined. If one conducts a search via google in order to peruse the teaching faculty/qualifications of universities thoughtout the world, you'd be surprized at what turns up.
I've seen "Professors" on the faculty of universities of ex-soviet countries whose senior faculty have diploma mill degrees.
It's just too mind-boggling at times but it's happening and the mills are still doing a brisk trade. |
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bitter_hag
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: I don't really care, but... |
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| Hey, you got me remembering things I had forgotten long ago. I now remember meeting some guy about 8 years who had a diploma from one of those State universities situated near the border. I remember thinking it was odd that a Canadian would go there since Canadian universities are probably cheaper. So I asked him why he went and he said it wasn't all that expensive because he got some student loans and scholarships. Is that possible? |
Yes. For several years when I was coaching football in Alberta, some of my players would go to Weed, California (University of California), North Dakota (Jamestown, *beep* State, and Minot State) on partial scholarships or even full scholarships, and some went on student loans from Canada. Thier belief was that being able to play in the NAIA (A league lower than NCAA 3) was better exposure to potential professional careers than playing in the CIS.
I don't think it helped.
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The above posts says something about Canadians going to a University of California school in Weed, California. As a graduate of the University of California system, I hate seeing misinformation being spread about it. To set the record straight, there is no UC school in Weed, California: http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/campuses/welcome.html. But in case having the University of California website doesn't suit you, here is the website for the town of Weed, California: http://www.weedchamber.com/index.php. There is no mention of a UC being there, and if a city or town has a UC they'd brag about it. Maybe it's a California State school or something else, but the UC system doesn't have a campus in Weed. I know that other UC schools outside of my alma mater, UCLA, and UC Berkeley have football teams, but still none of them are in Weed (or the surrounding areas.)
As for the subject, if folks are getting picked up for having fake degrees I understand that's a huge deal for them and I hope they can get out with minimal hassle, fines, and hardship. However, I don't have much sympathy. Before I came here I made sure that I checked and double checked everything I could. Between phone calls and the Internet there isn't much information that you can't find. One of the first places I found for information gathering was Dave's ESL cafe and other websites on teaching English in Korea. I posted questions and got some productive replies that helped me a lot. I looked at blacklists and got a feel for what to watch out for. I went to the Korean government websites and looked at what they had to say (even if the English pages are poorly written, you do get a gist for what the requirements are.) Plus, I followed all that up with a visit to the Korean Consulate in my city.
Should they choose to come back here or go anywhere else in the world, at least they'll know to do their research first. It doesn't take THAT much research to figure out on your own whether you'd be considered legit or not. Maybe if the Korean government did more to penalize unscrupulous recruiters and schools this wouldn't go on so much, but these are supposed to be educated people they're recruiting. Some of the responsibility must fall on them for not doing their homework. |
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