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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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BTW: My fiancee is gyopo. She decided to hang with me on vacation/study in China rather than "endure" another year directly after the first. And,
although, she has four degrees, she is oftentimes apprehensive about applying for work in Korea.
We believe more gyopos will be hired/headhunted(along with augmented conventional methods), especially, through churches(most networking is done in churches) via freelance recruiters to be lured by the sentimental 'land of your birth" bollocks, as teachers become tougher to find.
I'm sure when this occurs, the incidence of religious posts(No offence meant by this) may increase(many gyopos come to Korea hoping to help out and make a difference anyway they are able). And, as of those teachers hoping to help, possessing strong Christian values, arrive to lend a helping hand.
The problem I've seen many gyopo friends experience, is that once they start their job(arrive in the ROK), they discover they're being discriminated against(read- paid less than the white fellas/gals IN the same school, even) noticeable in the varience in remuneration they get.
I feel for them, I really do. I cannot imagine how painful that could be to return to the land of their birth and find skullduggery and double-talk. It's an affront to their dignity. (read-treachery)
Box-on, you will win. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's competition.
I've been in this country longer than many Kyopos. Why then should I also not be given a fair go?
I hold no "Boo hoos" to naturalized Koreans with other countries.
Instead, I ask if you had a rewarding time as a resident in the West. From what I hear, you had a dual passport, and could come and go as you pleased. It seems you can take part in this economy anyway possible on legally equal footing with a citizen. Make it happen if you want it. I had to strive years just to get to this point. Stop being sookybubbas. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Well, that's competition.
I've been in this country longer than many Kyopos. Why then should I also not be given a fair go?
I hold no "Boo hoos" to naturalized Koreans with other countries.
Instead, I ask if you had a rewarding time as a resident in the West. From what I hear, you had a dual passport, and could come and go as you pleased. It seems you can take part in this economy anyway possible on legally equal footing with a citizen. Make it happen if you want it. I had to strive years just to get to this point. Stop being sookybubbas. |
I think everyone should be given a fair go too.
An F4 visa is the closest my fiancee could get(and, that was by applying without her boss' knowledge otherwise there would have been fireworks; lived in a homestay arrangement where they bilked her on all utilities,everything she discovered) also neither the USA or Korea allow dual passport holdership.
I salute you on your accomplishment. But,no one here is being a sookybubba. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| BTW: what competition? When was discrimination competition? Back in the west perhaps. |
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Just to clarify --
Don't confuse this school with another Canadian-owned school, Canadian English Academy in Anyang, which is run by Chris. I know him personally, and he's a stand-up guy. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:45 am Post subject: |
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I took the idea of Dual passport from this government website.
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http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
Entry & Departure of Dual Nationality holders
If you have dual nationality, please note that it will be of great convenience to use a Korean passort everytime than using a Korean passport at one time and a foreign passport at another time
If you enter Korea using a Korean passport, there will be no limits on the maximun period of stay in Korea like other Koreans. However, you should also use a Korean passport, when leaving Korea. |
It's probably mis-information. You guys would know best.
The thing is, forgive me btw, I'll explain... a number of years ago my children had all been born in Suyu-ri and I had been married a few years with my darling ( Korean ) wife etc. I had to keep applying for E2 visa and couldn't work anywhere else but the hakwon where I was. I desperately wanted independence and wanted to open a study room, my own little school. I begged, researched, sent letters, but you know in the end it all came down to that retrictive visa........At this same time a chap I know well deservedly had the F4 visa. ( He is citizen of Canada and went there when 2 years old. ) Anyway with just 30 mill. he started his own hakwon. The students came as we knew they would. He was happy about his new-found success, but I was deeply affected. Whenever i heard from him it was about how easy he was earning money, now that he had his school. He offered me a job working for him. That was a painful blow and out of pride declined.
Before long (2 years later) he bought a nice apartment, his boy started at an international prep school and he became quite an employer. He is successful having gone in at the right time. Good on him, but, that should have been my time, too. I was there and ready but that damned anti-foreigner legislation....
Sorry, I see the results of discriminatory laws and attitudes solely on how it affects me. It affects you, too doesn't it.
With money and work, since we are both discriminated against, it seems we are on the same level playing field. If you and I both are in English and going for the same apple.....it's a competitive complex. Think about: if Kukjae Kyopo, (My son and daughter are Kyopos so no hidden offense) could get a great response from employers and mothers etc... I would be hard pressed to earn a living. �̷��� ����������...
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benblex
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Seoul, South Corea
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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nrvs,
more like gyopos who judge you first by what ivy league school you went to, how much micromanagement you're willing to suffer, and how much of a corporate clone you're willing to become.
to each their own, indeed. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
I took the idea of Dual passport from this government website.
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http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
Entry & Departure of Dual Nationality holders
If you have dual nationality, please note that it will be of great convenience to use a Korean passort everytime than using a Korean passport at one time and a foreign passport at another time
If you enter Korea using a Korean passport, there will be no limits on the maximun period of stay in Korea like other Koreans. However, you should also use a Korean passport, when leaving Korea. |
It's probably mis-information. You guys would know best.
The thing is, forgive me btw, I'll explain... a number of years ago my children had all been born in Suyu-ri and I had been married a few years with my darling ( Korean ) wife etc. I had to keep applying for E2 visa and couldn't work anywhere else but the hakwon where I was. I desperately wanted independence and wanted to open a study room, my own little school. I begged, researched, sent letters, but you know in the end it all came down to that retrictive visa........At this same time a chap I know well deservedly had the F4 visa. ( He is citizen of Canada and went there when 2 years old. ) Anyway with just 30 mill. he started his own hakwon. The students came as we knew they would. He was happy about his new-found success, but I was deeply affected. Whenever i heard from him it was about how easy he was earning money, now that he had his school. He offered me a job working for him. That was a painful blow and out of pride declined.
Before long (2 years later) he bought a nice apartment, his boy started at an international prep school and he became quite an employer. He is successful having gone in at the right time. Good on him, but, that should have been my time, too. I was there and ready but that damned anti-foreigner legislation....
Sorry, I see the results of discriminatory laws and attitudes solely on how it affects me. It affects you, too doesn't it.
With money and work, since we are both discriminated against, it seems we are on the same level playing field. If you and I both are in English and going for the same apple.....it's a competitive complex. Think about: if Kukjae Kyopo, (My son and daughter are Kyopos so no hidden offense) could get a great response from employers and mothers etc... I would be hard pressed to earn a living. �̷��� ����������... |
Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on but I don't think she'll bite(I remember her telling her adoptive dad over the phone once"I'm really proud to be an American, daddy) Thus, after her first experience with Korea, she most definitely considers her US citizenship, second-to-none and sacrasanct.
I can understand your experience perfectly as that is the very predicament I'm about to find myself. My fiancee refuses to work for a Korean Hagwon ever again and is looking into study room(depending on housing arrangements) options at the moment; I'll need to find a job(surviving on a single wage) which allows for a decent apartment otherwise she's mobile(buses/taxis). We spent Sunday singing(using bluegrass guitar arangements) songs like "Bingo" for example, with okie accents in China, in order to pass time during a blackout. We're refamiliarizing ourselves with the tools of our trade(minus the hillbilly accents).
I once knew a Korean student separated from her spouse living in a really nice apartment in a nice part of town who operated a very busy studyroom(she was ultra busy; I was somewhat envious. International holidays seemingly at will, etc). I still freak at times at the prospect of being a party to a business enterprize because it would be like starting off a shoe-string business with limited capital in an unfamiliar country.(It's tough enough reaching breakeven point in our own home-countries)
And your dead-right about competition when one has the responsibility of a family to support which takes on a different meaning for single people(lack of accountability to anyone else but oneself) "Competition"/competing with locals, in this country on the locals home-ground seems daunting to me as well as it takes on a meaning liken to pre-John Rockerfella days when rules/laws(open to interpretation and railroading/mock-ups/shunning) were written on the fly(to become today's anti-trust laws).
I also remember the E2 days well. Immigration seemed to make it's own rules on a solitary waegook who didn't know any better(immi would give the "fetch and get" run-around-town treatment, and me not knowing any better, saw it as incidental "incompetence" (plus-justified and verifiable time off work). I shudder to think of the pressure a spouse and young family dependant on a sole earner must have been on you( I've been thinking about it a lot myself lately and really surprised at not seeing before how much respect commited couples deserve. Quite awesome actually, especially so in Korea).
I think your "friend" from Canada was insensitive "having to" advertise how well he was doing; 30 mil is not small change however; are you considering your own business at the moment? You are afterall, the real-deal, in a economic climate divesting itself of it's percieved "undesirable" elements; could be some opportunity there now. Schools and recruiters must be panicking too. Market pays market demand, Yay! (what with the govt. sponsored camps scouring the world for verifiable degree bearers)
I take no offence sir and I salute and congratulate you (your family and, yourself especially) on your understanding. We(my fiancee doesn't know about this thread) wish you well for present and future. |
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wwidgirl
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
I took the idea of Dual passport from this government website.
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http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
Entry & Departure of Dual Nationality holders
If you have dual nationality, please note that it will be of great convenience to use a Korean passort everytime than using a Korean passport at one time and a foreign passport at another time
If you enter Korea using a Korean passport, there will be no limits on the maximun period of stay in Korea like other Koreans. However, you should also use a Korean passport, when leaving Korea. |
It's probably mis-information. You guys would know best.
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To clarify:
The ROK does not allow dual citizenship after the age of 21.
The USA Does allow dual citizenship.
http://usembassy.state.gov/seoul/wwwh3002.html |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: |
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You make a calm response fusionbarnone.
It seems like you have been around a little, too.
I got my freedom (you know what we were talking about before with that F4 stuff) and have permission to well, do business in my own name. Now I don't want to take risks. Funny isn't it. |
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