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andrew

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: ..... |
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Demonicat

Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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That...is...bizarre. Most Korean men tend to be somewhat timid. You aren't riddles with facial piercings or green hair are you? If they do it again, just get aggressive looking, a strong glare and gangsta strut will go far. |
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vlcupper

Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Location: Gangnam
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Dealing with aggressive older Korean males |
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He's just an older man used to bossing people around. Probably first born and all that nonsense. Or they were probably having a lovers spat and were taking it out on you.
If he does live near you and you happen to meet him on the street, ignore him...unless he comes at you; then take a box cutter to his throat or his tiny balls. |
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Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:23 am Post subject: |
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You did well to hold it in, I would've told him to FCK OFF! right in his face.
Just for wanting to keep your paper  |
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ChimpumCallao

Joined: 17 May 2005 Location: your mom
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:21 am Post subject: |
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little man syndrome on crack considering the knowledge that he would win in court when and if you whipped his sorry trifling ass. he's just trying to feel like a big man...
considering the retarded laws here considering fighting you did the logical thing. next time tho......... |
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shakuhachi

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Its a difficult situation, especially when the conflict is in English. Because you were speaking in English and the surrounding Koreans can not understand, its likely most of the Koreans around you thought you were the villain. Speaking Korean helps. 'Is this how Koreans treat tourists?', said so that everyone could hear (in Korean) would bring the righteous wrath of Koreans angry at the damage done to their countrys image down on the guys harrasing you.
As long as you are speaking English, you are at a disadvantage. The language of power in Korea is Korean, so learn the language of power. |
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Paji eh Wong

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I'd do one of two things. Either get off at the next stop or call his bluff. Getting off at the next stop is self explanitory. Calling his bluff, tell him to hit you or shut up. The chances of him hitting you in a car full of people are minimal and if he does you could haul his ass before the police. Plus if he's 50 or 60, how much could he hurt you? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Dealing with aggressive older Korean males |
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andrew wrote: |
I was riding the orange Line # 3 this evening from Daehwa (Ilsan). At the second stop two Korean guys got on, both of them about 55-65 years old. One grabbed the paper I had sitting under me and I tapped him on the arm and said "Mine" Well, the other one began yelling at me in English, screaming that he was going to beat the c*** out of me and that all Westerners were scum and that if i didn't get out of the car he was going to beat the living f*** out of me, all this in front of a crowded car with women and young students on it.
I didn't do anything except apologize to the first man and say that I'm sorry he was so upset. He got madder and told me he was going to find out the school I worked at, after saying "Do you know who I am?" I said "Yeah, I know who you are - some old Korean idiot who likes to think he's still tough sh** by threatening everyone else. What a baby!"
He kept it up for several stops, finally getting off at Hwajeong with the other guy, saying he was going to beat my a** out of Korea. It was really my stop, but I didn't move.
What I found myself wishing I could have done was kick this guy in the *beep*, which I might have done if there had been no witnesses. The weird thing is that I didn't smell any soju odour around either of them, so I don't think they were drunk, but they sure hated Westerners.
Any experiences with dealing with Korean men of this age group? They are the ones who run a lot of these hagwons and cause so much trouble for foreigners. I've also noticed the 45 and over crowd is most aggressive with the ramming of others in the subway. I've literally put my arms in front of me like a bulldozer a few times to get out of a packed subway car.
Since this guy may live near me, what should I do if I see him on the street and he comes at me? Has anyone ever had a fight with an older Korean? |
Don't forget the fact that the story of the two Canadians had to pay up millions of won in 'blood money' to a Korean man who may or may not have assaulted them has been extensively reported in the Korean press---well, at least the part where the Canadians had to pay up. You were probably the victim of a new twist to the old scam of jumping in front of a slowly moving car in order to fake injuries and make fraudulent insurance claims. I'm almost certain these two were conmen. Luckily, you didn't take the bait.
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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You should've force fed him the paper...after you wiped your @ss with it. No, seriously, you probably made the right move. A previous poster said that a lot of the passengers probably didn't understand the conversation because it was in English. Maybe right, maybe wrong. Most Koreans aren't so foolish that they can't tell who the aggressor is though. I'm sure that 90% of the people thought the Korean guy was the idiot, not you. Next time, chase the paper with your middle finger down his throat. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:24 am Post subject: |
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I've experienced this a couple of times in my ten months here. I confronted one recently and he folded and his friend shut him up.
I didn't want to wait ten minutes for a light to change late one night, when I was taking a walk. There were no cars. So I crossed the street.
There were two Korean guys on the other side, drunk. One of them started shaking his head at me, obviously very much offended by what I was doing, yelling something in Korean, waving his arm at me, and this got progressively worse and louder as I tried to walk around him. So I stopped, walked directly at him, and asked in English with extremely hostile eye contact, and mean tone of voice, and with my own pointing arm: "and what do you want?" and he folded immediately. I was bluffing, of course, but I had had enough.
I felt good for a couple of minutes (I've been frustrated by this place since arriving), but it was a stupid thing to do. If he had fought me, it would have cost me. So I wouldn't recommend confronting these morons -- even though they don't hesitate to confront you.
But it isn't just them, although my director has explained to me that older Korean men just don't tend to be nice men. As a society, though, none of them are ready to live with an immigrant community. And that's the real bottom line. |
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andrew

Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: |
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capebretoncanadian

Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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u did the right thing, scrapping with the guy would've got you nowhere but the wrong side of a set of bars I would NOT trust the legal system here to come to a fair and just conclusion |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:19 am Post subject: |
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andrew wrote: |
Sometimes I do wonder about things. The generation I am talking about are the ones who were born during, or were children in, the Korean War, plus or minus a few years. The oldest ones have been kindhearted and nice; some have even told me that they liked Americans because they remembered their adversaries.
Yes, I am glad I didn't "take the bait" but the guy who got mad, though he was older-looking, was pretty built up and did not hesitate to approach me. As a group, though, I find the middle-age generation now to be the hardest ones to get along with in Korea. |
Oh, yes. Some of the dumber ones who were teenagers during the Park Jung Hee regime certainly have eaten up all his fascist propaganda. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't want to wait ten minutes for a light to change late one night, when I was taking a walk. There were no cars. So I crossed the street.
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You IGNORED a red light? Gopher, I am shocked you would admit such a thing in public. You should be ashamed of yourself. What would your parents think? |
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The Chewbacca Defense

Joined: 29 May 2004 Location: The ROK and a hard place
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: ... |
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Kick the old fella in the goolies and run away!~
That's what he would have done! |
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