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How much more can we take?

 
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:47 am    Post subject: How much more can we take? Reply with quote

2004 - Tsunami
2005 - Hurricane Katrina
2005 - Mud Slides
2005 - Earth Quake

I am curious how much money the World can keep on providing the victims of these one off cataclysmic disasters before they have no more money to give. It really does seem like a bad couple of years compared to the past decade or am I really just more numbed to it all.

I wonder how many more disasters we are able to weather.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: How much more can we take? Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
2004 - Tsunami
2005 - Hurricane Katrina
2005 - Mud Slides
2005 - Earth Quake

I am curious how much money the World can keep on providing the victims of these one off cataclysmic disasters before they have no more money to give. It really does seem like a bad couple of years compared to the past decade or am I really just more numbed to it all.

I wonder how many more disasters we are able to weather.


First to go will be the insurance companies.
As global warming accelerates and 6 billion people continue ruining the earths ecosystems, 'natural" disasters will increase in number and impact.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that bothers me is when another disaster hits and the response is "Sorry, Sunshine, ain't going to happen". Then what? Call the UN, OOPs! we don't have the money if they don't give it to us.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a pretty bad year.

But news coverage of these things has also become pretty extensive and thorough, esp., say, in the last five years or so. I know from my quick-reference history of Chile, for example, that tidal waves reached out and destroyed Concepcion several times during the colonial era.

We've been plauged by severe natural disasters and ice ages for thousands of years.

Dinosaurs also had, if the dominant theory is correct, a pretty bad spell, too...

So this isn't the easist place in the universe to live in.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher, I agree with you on what you said.

The numbers must have escalated though? Even the cost of rebuilding has gone up, even if the total deaths haven't. How much can they give? I am a person with a set account, someone asks me for help, I give. But I know that there is a limit to my account.

A country has an account, but still there must be a limit. How many more disasters can we handle?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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news coverage of these things has also become pretty extensive


Same for violent crime and things like the threat of terrorism. The media is so very good at covering the lurid/prurient details of "news stories" but it also serves to keep people with an underlying perpetual anxiety/fear in this country--at least those who consume it on a regular basis. So much advertising is driven by playing on peoples' primordial fears as well.

Mainstream media has become fast-food for the reptilian brain.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Dinosaurs also had, if the dominant theory is correct, a pretty bad spell, too...

So this isn't the easist place in the universe to live in.

Not an easy place for dinosaurs to live in anymore, either, a bit more than just a bad spell ...

As for the last, it's the only place I know where I can live, goes for most of my friends, too. My friends and I, we try to solve that by looking after each other. Here's a toast, looking forward to the day the whole species follows the same course.

Dunno if it's the easiest place in the universe to live in, but most days it's a damn good one, and we can make it a little better every day if we try just a little.

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Some people think it's a miracle to walk on water. I think it is a miracle to walk on the earth in peace.

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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, one way to look at it is that "average" doesn't really exist. So, any given year is going to most likely be above or below average, right? This is an above average year - particularly going back a calendar year. But is it actually exceptional? I don't know. Probably is. The only thing that's happened that could possibly be truly called exceptional is the situation in New Orleans because one can make an argument for global warming playing a part. The rest? Not much that could have been done to prevent them and all ahve happened before in some form or other. And repeatedly. Why we aren't learning from the past might be the real question to ask...

That said, things probably are getting worse, but not necessarily due to the Earth going crazy. It has to do with the spread of humanity. 7 billion is a lot of people, and they gotta go somewhere. Historically, we go where the water is and to the most strategic locations. Both for obvious reasons. Well, if you're near water, you're gonna get wet. If you're in a strategic location it's likely to be isolated and hard to get to. Hmmm....

So... if we really want to protect ourselves we need to s l o w d o w n development. That is, if we don't want to pay the cost of the disaster, we have to pay the cost of prevention. (Typically the latter is cheaper, but probably not always.) Prevention is not just dikes and early warning, it's also planning where to and not to live; it's spending the money and time to build intelligently for the location; it's perhaps controlling population growth so we have enough pie to give everyone a slice or to allow science to provide the pre-emptive rather than reactionary solutions; it's perhaps making some socio-political changes on a local, national and global scale.

Can we afford it? Most likely. But, then, there are reasons why empires fall, and nature has been the culprit quite often. So, maybe we can't if it keeps up.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add this to the list:

Flooding chaos across Britain
Wednesday October 12, 11:45 AM

Torrential rain has caused flooding chaos throughout Britain, with emergency services stretched to the limit.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/12102005/344/flooding-chaos-across-britain.html
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuckistan wrote:
... but it also serves to keep people with an underlying perpetual anxiety/fear in this country--at least those who consume it on a regular basis. So much advertising is driven by playing on peoples' primordial fears as well.

Mainstream media has become fast-food for the reptilian brain.


That's why some of us who prefer the warm and fuzzy mammalian aspects of our being consume so little of the nasty stuff. But, of course, it's impossible to avoid completely in Korea since it seems that virtually every Korean has a tv in their workplace to see them through the day. Luckily, few of them have American tv news programs on.

Me, I'd rather play music. Or dance. Laughing Very Happy Laughing
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: How much more can we take? Reply with quote

rapier wrote:

First to go will be the insurance companies.
As global warming accelerates and 6 billion people continue ruining the earths ecosystems, 'natural" disasters will increase in number and impact.


Sorry, this will be the most profitable year for insurance companies in decades. Insurance companies LOVE disasters. They get to raise their rates. Believe me, they are dancing on their desks, planning bigger Company towers in Chicago.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:38 am    Post subject: Re: How much more can we take? Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
...planning bigger...towers in Chicago.


that would be Hartford, wouldn't it?
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: How much more can we take? Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
...planning bigger...towers in Chicago.


that would be Hartford, wouldn't it?


there too. there are several insurance companies in the US...
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