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mysteriousdeltarays



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:51 am    Post subject: Sealed on the back crap Reply with quote

It was hard enough to even get transcripts sent here. I had to get them sent to the embassy. What is this crap, I don't think it is real, I'm all for the transcripts.

I'm tired of dealing with Heather, Chad and Barbie (I kid you not) at 3:OO A.M

This is all just based on one of Dave's major client's $39 a month your are a "recruter.". Who would give 52 people the same bogus diploma and transcripts to a single immigration office?

Yes, our friends the recruiters.

Hi Dave, You know me personaly, Hi moderators. Let's be really nice to Orien recruters. To them all, aren't they wonderful?

My transcripts are legit.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question Either those delta rays have penitrated the tin foil cap you fashioned to keep aliens from reading your mind, or the maek-jju went down particularly well tonight. Laughing
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the title, but I don't understand the rambling much though......sorry.

But just as it is getting harder to submit paperwork to apply for a job, they are now dictating how the university should package and send their own credentials....

I love this country....but it just keeps on getting sadder and sadder....

They can dictate how foreigners come here, but they don't go after the Korean forgers and frauds who work in the universities. The ones who got their jobs based on "who they know" rather than "what they know" or based on the amount of "donations" they give to the univerisites every year to get or keep their jobs.

Again...sad....
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I can't resist. This just reminds me of the Marx Brothers movie, "Horse Feathers".

Groucho is the president of the University: "...where's the seal, where's the seal?..." Of course, Harpo brings in a live seal .... Laughing
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid, this place is really becoming stupid. For those not having to go through this stupidity right now, laugh on.

I just had an application put in today to immigration. I provided them with unopened transcripts. Now they don't have a seal on the back, so are refused and I have to send some more. What a pathetic stupid system, they are putting in place.

They are really making us jump through hoops now, 4 years and all the paper work that I have had to provide means squat for a new job. Talk about absolutely stupid actions on their part. Just check with my University.

Anymore of this crap and they will be removing any chance of someone finding work or taking a job here. Man, my current boss is going to be pissed. He will have to buy me a oneway ticket to NZ (instead of just going for the cheaper option), as I might as well take this holiday now as the paperwork won't get done in time for me to stay in Korea or make it worth while to stay.
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susy



Joined: 08 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep my old uni is getting fed up with sending out sealed transcripts to me !
its a pain, luckily they sent me 2 selaed ones this time one for me to keep!

If someone is going to forge the transcript then they could just as easily forge the seal on the back of an envelope - errm is that logical or not? Rolling Eyes
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even after I have calmed down, I must admit I am still a little put out. Is the seal really necessary. The Degree, the transcripts, the past jobs, don't they mean anything. Is it only important if it has a seal. 4 years of Uni, 4 years in Korea comes down to a seal.

If I was sure that they were checking up on whether the seal was legit, then maybe I could understand. But as my boss said, do you really expect them to pay for all the phone calls it would take to confirm whether the seal is legit.

I am just annoyed I guess, that they know where I live and can send me a letter explaining that I need to leave the country at a certain date, but can't let me know the exact chages to thier immigration policy. I pay taxes, don't they count for anything here. One lousy stamp and piece of paper would have solved this problem months ago.

They are really opening up the doors for us aren't they. Rolling Eyes
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Foreign Firms Find Korea Less Than Friendly
Seven in 10 or 74 percent of foreign businesspeople in Korea say the government's policies bear no relation to its ostensible goal of turning the country into Northeast Asia's financial hub.
Cho Hyeong-rae, Chosun Ilbo (April 24, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504240010.html

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous.... An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448

Ex-pats Describe Korea's Culture of Corruption
"Koreans always seem prepared to give out bribes. I was shocked by the culture and attitude of Koreans who feel no guilt despite breaking the law."
by Kim Hong-jin, Chosun Ilbo (December 16, 2004)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200412/200412160027.html

Suicides Hit Record High
By Lee Hyo-sik, Korea Times (September 28, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200509/kt2005092817232510230.htm
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PEIGUY



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
Even after I have calmed down, I must admit I am still a little put out. Is the seal really necessary. The Degree, the transcripts, the past jobs, don't they mean anything. Is it only important if it has a seal. 4 years of Uni, 4 years in Korea comes down to a seal.



That's because you can buy fake degrees online.. we've all seen the ads or have gotten the junk mail. I guess that's one way of trying to reassure the public or themselves that the foreigner coming over graduated from a real university in such and such a country. But again, you raise a valid point about a fake seal.. but, with what's going on now.. it's not the wisest route to go...
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might have seen the ads. I already had a degree, worked damm hard for it too. I just am pissed off that I followed all that I was told to do and then found they changed the rules again without telling me.

No, I am still pissed off. This has little to do with non degree holders and more to do with us. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that the best way to find out if a person has a degree is to see if 1+1 = 2. Do your homework. They took it easy and now its bit them in the arse so they are punishing everyone for their mistake. They didn't work before, they don't want to work now, so they are covering their arse by making everyone do the work for them.

Let them think for themselves, this will bite them later and they can't see that today.

Enough with them.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have said that already~~ The policy will eventually affect the ones that supposedly supported the law (though I don't know how each individual person might feel about it...however, alot of people might support the measures being implemented)
It should not be the responsibility of the immigration office to verify if a teacher is legitimate or not, it should be the job of the schools doing the hiring...but since the schools are just as corrupt or in some case more so than the local immigration office, they can't be seen to be able to handle such a task...which makes it seem to be like a nation-wide "macro-management" scheme managed by the immigration bureau.

Sometimes...I wonder if the laws and rules issued by the government are actually used to make the system more legitimate or as actualy window-dressing to show the public that something is being done.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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actualy window-dressing to show the public that something is being done.


I would have to argue its about face.

I have most times got my degree certified in my own country by the embassy there. If anyone can ring up the Uni to check they can.

Its always about face. Look at what I said earlier, they aren't concerned about whether the transcript is legit, they wonder whether the seal is on the envelope. Not what is inside, what is on the outside concerns them.

If they do this with an envelope, how likely is it they do it with themselves?
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swade



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me for putting my two cents in where it may not be wanted. But, the seal on the transcript means it��s an ��official transcript��. My school can provide a transcript to me without a seal but they only put the seal on ��official transcripts�� and they send those out only to third parties such as for employment.

I agree that at times it can take several weeks for the third party to receive said transcript. I think however, we should not blame (don��t know if that��s the appropriate word) the immigration office in a country other than our own but maybe rather the school that��s sending out the transcript for they are often the one that��s slow in putting it in the mail.

When I first went to Korea several years ago, all that was need was a copy of the transcript. Now that I have decided to return to Korea, I requested the ��official transcript�� (send to my husband of-course) before I received a job offer; after having read here on Dave��s of the new law.

One last note, try getting a visa to work in the States or Europe if you are a foreigner, It is down right difficult – to put in mildly. I personally find the process to find a job in Korea very easy. This is again, just my two cents!
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swade;

Your 2-cents is more than welcome.

The issue I have is the official seal is on an envelope that more than likely is going to be trashed or ignored in a years time if I apply for a new job. The transcript and the seal on it isn't important, just the seal on the envelope to prove it hasn't been opened.

My folks rang up my Uni and confirmed I had a transcript. It took 1 day, couldn't they do the same and note it finally on my record. It took me 4 years to get my Quals. They expect Confirmation every year, I have been here 4 years, 1 more year and I have to confirm longer than I studied the damm degree. If I do a PHD, thats another 5-7 yrs, that would suck having to confirm that every year and every year it gets harder to do here.

Its not about the Quals, that counld have been done once, its about power. Power is not a good way to make a country look welcome or make some stay.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer wine wrote:
My folks rang up my Uni and confirmed I had a transcript. It took 1 day, couldn't they do the same and note it finally on my record

Probably not...most people in immigration their English skills are not up to telephone conversation level with secretaries in western universities....
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