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[Pligganease]

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This is not going to be a flaming thread. Also, feel free to add a topic if you think of one that is answerable in 4 lines or less. (Sorry, Rapier... The environment is not answerable in 4 lines or less.... ) Don't comment on what other people say. Just state where you stand on these issues. Keep it short... No more than 4 lines per topic. Please flame the hell out of anyone who breaks these rules.

1. Death Penalty- 100% for it.

2. Abortion- Pro-choice. As Bill Maher says, I'm for anything that will keep the freeway moving faster. Just consider me pro-death.

3. Iraq- Something had to be done in the middle east. I'll support anything where American troops are dying, at least to the troops. If I disagree with the man in charge, I'll take it up with him.

4. Drug War- It's an idiotic way to keep the money in the pockets of the major pharmaceutical comapnies.

5. Gun Control- I don't think that anyone should have guns not sold at Wal-Mart. Shotguns? OK Rifles? OK Pistols... Ummm, no. Assault rifles? Go directly to jail.

6. Big drug companies- Are the worst thing to happen to the world since the invention of the atomic bomb.

7. Prostitution - I like the laws just like they are in the States. Want a hooker? Go to Vegas.

8. Doctor-assisted suicide - 100% for it. Die with dignity if you want to. Me, I'm jumping off of a really high building and aiming for something.

9. Gay marriage- Can't support it. I fully understand the argument about consenting adults. However, what if a brother and sister, father and daughter, or mother and son want to get married after they are both of legal age? Would you support incestral marriages as well? Same thing.

10. Computer viruses - It's a crime. Really, does anyone support computer viruses?

[On the other hand]

1. Death penalty: Strongly against, though I don't view the execution of a murderer as being precisely equivalent to what the murderer himself did.

2. Abortion: Pro-choice.

3. Iraq: US/UK/Korean/etc troops out now. No one has the right to invade another country without provocation.

4. I favour a gradual legalization of all drugs.

5. Gun control: Depends on the country. It seems to me that in a country where other social factors lead to a high rate of violent crime, gun control will probably do some good. However, I don't think it's quite the panacea that it's sometimes made out to be.

6. Big drug companies: Never gave the matter much thought.

[Gopher]

1. Death Penalty - Ambivalent. The govt does not have the right to decide who dies. On the other hand, there're guys like Dahmer...so maybe a double jury system or something.

2. Abortion - Ambivalent. Abortion is a bad thing and shouldn't be done, in most circumstances, certainly not as a form of birth-control, and it's cruel for a married woman not to consult her husband on the matter. However, it's not the govt's right to decide.

3. Iraq - Disagree with the war. We're there, however, and it's not so simple that we can just pack up and move out.

4. Drug War - Those who can't think, declare war. Makes about as much sense as Prohibition.

5. Gun Control - Gun ownership in the U.S. is fine as is: felons, the dishonorably discharged, and anyone ever arrested for domestic violence can't get one.

6. Big Drug Companies - I know this is an issue; I've never given it consideration, however.

7. Prostitution - See "Drug War," above. Legalize, regulate, and tax it.

8. Dr.-Assisted Suicide - Ambivalent. See "Abortion," above. But allow it. No family overruling.

9. Gay Marriage - I don't see any reason why not. Legalize it. Let the churches do what they want about it.

10. Computer Viruses - Very annoying. Kill those who create them. Bitchslap them with heavy laptop computers infected with viruses until dead.

[Nowhere Man]

1. Death Penalty- Might be justified if our justice system were perfect. It's not and will never be. I'd invoke Republican Governor Ryan(Thompson?) of Illinois pardoning all death row convicts when he resigned because the track record was shabby. If one innocent individual has or will ever die because of this policy, then it needs to go.

George Carlin said something to the effect of: As long as we're killing people in a state-sanctioned, civil setting, then we are not truly civilized.

If killing is wrong, then it's wrong.

I see more revenge in it than justice.

Most modern countries agree.

2. Abortion- Pro-choice. If you disagree, then don't have one. In other words, it's a matter of personal choice. Pragmatically, if it is outlawed in America, people will go elsewhere unless they're poor. That will only make the poor poorer.

3. Iraq- World matters are to be settled by the world. This is not per se an endorsement of the UN, but the simple application of global democracy. The only reason a country has to invade another is in self-defense. California can't decide it needs to "do something" about Arizona.

4. Drug War- Pot should not be classified as a narcotic. If marijuana deserves to be a narcotic, then so does alcohol. Alcohol IS a drug. Until this is widely accepted and understood, change seems unlikely.

5. Gun Control- Should be strictly licensed. I do believe in freedom. I also believe it would be very difficult to disarm America. Bottom line: when you buy a gun, you marry it. It should be like titles on cars. If a gun ends up killing someone, we should be able to trace it to the exact owner, who should be held responsible along with whoever actually used it. In other words, buying a gun should be a huge responsibility. Aussalt rifles? Hey, buy what you want, but if a police officer gets gunned with the weapon you bought, then you are accountable.

On the other hand, Bowling For Columbine made a fundamental point: we have shit-loads of guns and a murder to reflect that. Maybe you don't like Moore's prtrayal of things, but we as a society suffer the consequences of the gun freedom we have.

6. Big drug companies- are symptomatic of the problems we have in a country that is more capitalist than democratic. It's very give-and-take. Pharmaceutical issues are actually very similar to copywright and patent issues, which are far more protective of industry than they actually defend the rights of artists.

But nice post, Pliggan.

Very constructive.

Cheers,

NM

[wannago]

Death Penalty: I agree with it, but would much rather see a two trial system where anyone up for capital punishment must be tried and convicted twice by two different juries. I keep thinking of NWM's sentence, "If killing is wrong, then it's wrong" and I think that's an excellent point.

Abortion: Pro-life....sorta. I don't think abortion should be used as birth control but I also don't think rape or incest victims should be made to have a child. I see the fetus as a life and don't understand those who just see it as a glob of tissue. "If killing is wrong, then it's wrong." I'm not flaming you NWM, by the way.

Iraq: I wish we hadn't gone, but something needed to be done although I don't think this was it. However, we are now there and leaving now would make things worse, if that's possible.

Drugs: I've always thought that pot should be sold (and taxed) like alcohol. I draw the line there, however, and think that narcotics should be illegal and prosecuted as such.

Gun Control: I have major problems with guns even being registered. Anyone over the age of 16 should be able to own one. I believe very sincerely the adage that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." I was given my first rifle when I was 10 and it taught me a lot about being responsible with a dangerous piece of equipment. Hey, I know there are people that shouldn't own guns, but there are also people that shouldn't own cars but they aren't prevented from buying one.

Drug companies: I've seen the devastation of people with very limited income having to pay for ultra-expensive drugs. I'm now in Saudi Arabia and you can buy most drugs without a prescription at very reasonable prices. I'm obviously not much for government intervention in business, but I think this is one candidate if there is one. Hell, maybe the whole enchilada of health care in general.

Really good thread Pligganease

[Mr. Literal]

Death Penalty: Staunch advocate of capital punishment. Don't think that it's used enough.

Abortion: Pro-choice. Not a big surprise, as I'm all for the death penalty. It's called consistency. I've never understand those who are pro-choice but against the death penalty, and vice versa.

That's it for now.

[ontheway]

Death penalty: No. Never give the government the right to kill.

Abortion: Women's right to choose.

Iraq: Big mistake. The US should gradually bring all troops home from everywhere and stay home unless attacked.

Drugs: Re-Legalize all drugs and forget this failed prohibition. Also, legalize prostitution and gambling.

Guns: Disarm the cops and the government. The right to bear arms was reserved to the people so they can defend themselves against the government. It's the war on drugs, victimless crime laws, taxes and other government rules that cause most violence in the US.

Drug Companies: Deregulate all businesses. Abolish all taxes on property and income. Let the people be free.

[Tiger Beer]

Death Penalty - ambivalent.. but defintely not against it.

Abortion - pro-choice.. women's choice.. taking care of extra people for life is an emormous responsibility that one of the two people should be prepared to do for life.

Iraq - 100% AGAINST IT. Against terrorism and Osama.. but Saddam and Iraq was pointless and ridiculous and extremel costly.

Drug War - the US has some of the strongest most hardest drugs in the world being abused.. drug wars are ridiculous.. but definetely not working. Legalization makes a lot more sense in such a hard core drug-oriented socity.

Gun control - Again, the criminals are some of the most sophisticated and hardcore in the world (outside of perhaps Brazil/Colombia/South Africa).. definetley need gun control yet at the same time I can understand citizen response to counter it.. hardcore society.. personally i'm STRONGLY against it.. would love to eliminate them altogether. Yet the reality..

Drug companies - very veryvery very very very very bad. I absolultely LOATH them and doctors for that matter.. and even mechanics if you want to get right down to it. Exploitative.

[VanIslander]

1. Death Penalty- 100% against it.

2. Abortion- Pro-choice.

3. Iraq- A mistake. Speed up the exit strategy.

4. Drug War - In America? It's putting a lot of otherwise good citizens in jail needlessly. What an adult does with one's own body is one's own business. Prosecute those pushing it to kids though.

5. Gun Control- Rifles for self defense and hunting alright, handguns totally unnecessary on the street. Follow Canada's example.

6. Big drug companies- They and the HMO's help line the pockets of politicians in America.


This entire thread should be reserved for Americans. They are not the greatest issues for those from most other countries. I did it, but felt like it didn't so much apply to me or where i come from.

[Beej]

1. Death penalty. For it under only these circumstances: Undoubtable guilt ie video evidence or multiple eyewitnesses, victims family must allow it, and victims family member must actually end the life, be the executioner.

2. Abortion. Totally for it. Too many unwanted babies in the world already.

3.Iraq. US should go totally isolationist and pull out militarily everywhere. Especially Korea. Let anti american ingrates see how really screwed up the world can be.

4. Drug war- legalize and tax the hell out of pot. Although im a Libertarian and believe in freedom of choice; cocaine, heroin, meth are nasty and ruin lives. Sometimes people need to be saved from thier own stupidity. However long prison terms are not called for.

5. Gun control- would be nice, but too late to put that genie back in the bottle in the USA.

6. Drug companies- probaly greedy but who isnt. Time for Europe and Canada to start paying their fair share for the R+D of new drugs.

[Octavius Hite]

1. Death Penalty-Against it, throw'em in the deepest darkest hole forever

2. Abortion-I'm a man so my opinion doesn't and shouldn't count.

3. Iraq-A disaster that will haunt US and UK for a generation, however I don't blame the troops, they don't have a choice

4. Drug war- Pot, Hash, MDMA (Ecstacy) and Mushrooms should be legal and taxed, everything elese we should outlaw.

5. Gun control-Rifles and shotguns yes, handguns yes but not in the house, nothing else

6. Big Pharma-The new mafia, no more advertising, no more government subsidies, no more wimpy FDA approving everything that rolls across the table

[plattwaz]

Interesting that of the people who have replied so far, the opinions are very similar.

1. Death penalty - totally against it, only for the fact that as everyone else has said, I don't think that the government has the right to take the life of another person. I also think, in a way, it's letting them off easy (which I suppose depends on your view of "afterlife")

2. Abortion - pro-choice. I think if a child is unwanted, then the pain that is felt as a fetus being aborted is minimal when compared to the pain of a young, unwanted, unloved or unfed child.

3. Iraq -- ugh. Didn't agree with it in the first place, and sick of hearing about it. It's been going on too long, although I do agree that they can't just pack up and walk away now. I think America should have been "punished" by the UN for going in without UN approval in the first place.

4. Drug war - I think that if it grows in the ground, I should have the choice to use it; no government should be allowed to "Ban" any naturally-growing substance, esp. when tobacco is legal. Chemically-made drugs (acid, ecstacy, etc) is different, but punish the manufacturer not the user.

5. Gun control - for it. Selling guns in Walmart is beyond absurdity.

6. Bi pharmaceutical companies - keep tight controls on their quality, remove gov't subsidies. If the govt's are going to spend money on subsidizing them, then why not use that money to spend on their own federal gov't research and drug development.

[mithridates]

1. Death Penalty- Since occasionally innocent people are convicted and later evidence comes up to overturn the conviction, it's impossible to be for it. You can't bring people back from the dead and say sorry.

2. Abortion- Boring issue.

3. Iraq- Waste of money and lives and has only served to weaken the US. Really bad move.

4. Drug War- Depends on the drug, but in any case the bigger the drug cartel the more work should be done to bring it down. Anything that funds foreign criminals at our expense is bad news.

5. Gun Control- People shouldn't be allowed to have guns. I've always thought of them as being cheap. Bows, yes. I'm all for bow and sword ownership.

6. Big drug companies- "Are the worst thing to happen to the world since the invention of the atomic bomb." Well said.

[peony]

1. Death Penalty- Against it, life in jail with solitary confinement is a worse off fate

2. Abortion- Pro-choice

3. Iraq- bad, bad, stupid move but no backing out now and gotta support our troops since they're there anyways

4. Drug War- war on drugs is retarded and never worked, all drugs excluding weed should be banned forever, the meth craze in middle america is ruining innocent children's lives

5. Gun Control- should only be legal for law enforcement, if people are adamant about hunting, maybe there should just be grounds where you could rent them on a temp. basis only

6. Big drug companies- totally ridiculous, even with my insurance, i have to pay over $100 co-pay for a month's worth of medicine for my stomach ailments.. just not right to be making people pay out their a$$ for medications they need, the uninsured and poor only get poorer and sicker

7. Prostitution - legalize, make them register themselves, have work permits, provide health plans so they can get regularly checked for STD's and AIDS, hopefully regulating the spread of STD's, HIV and AIDS and maybe providing a safer, cleaner, better environment for those who 'choose' this profession

[Bulsajo]

1. Death Penalty- Tough one. There are people who have been sentenced to life in jail in Canada and who- after serving many years of their sentence- have recently been found to be innocent. If there had been a death penalty they would have been killed. Plus it's been proven not to be a deterrent. But for multiple homocides and multiple sex crimes, yeah- take out the trash.

2. Abortion- Pro-choice. Yes. Bill Maher has a point....

3. Iraq- "Something had to be done in the middle east. I'll support anything where American troops are dying, at least to the troops. If I disagree with the man in charge, I'll take it up with him." I don't understand what you're saying here, but- Iraq. Bad move. Simple math: It created more problems than it will solve. And will continue to do so. How could an action meant to be stabilizing be so de-stabilizing? The mind boggles. Read Seymour Hersh.

4. Drug War- "It's an idiotic way to keep the money in the pockets of the major pharmaceutical comapnies." Agreed. Looser drug laws needed.

5. Gun Control- "I don't think that anyone should have guns not sold at Wal-Mart. Shotguns? OK Rifles? OK Pistols... Ummm, no. Assault rifles? Go directly to jail." Agree.

6. Big drug companies- "Are the worst thing to happen to the world since the invention of the atomic bomb." American ones, yes. It doesn't have to be that way. I'm not an expert but you could take a look at Canadian and European companies. Problems with Pharmaceutical companies as part of an overall health care problem. Too poor to get proper medical care and medicine in the greatest country in the world? Something's wrong here. 4 month wait (or longer) to see a specialist in Canada? Something is also very wrong.