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Swiss James
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| Roger Moore was an appalling, appalling Bond. I genuinely think Pierce Brosnan is the best so far |
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Gopher
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Sean Connery was the best Bond. I've read many of the original novels, however, and Dalton comes closest to Fleming's actual Bond (unstable, angry, not a little psychotic and into vengeance in the worst way), so I'd call him the second best. The Brosnan films were simply too commercial for me (selling Visa checkcards, Omega watches, BMWs, etc.) and simply boring as far as plots go.
The next Bond film will be Casino Royale, the first novel. It'll be interesting to see if they include SMERSH's torture of Bond and the female Russian agent he loved who they killed (or did she commit suicide?) to get to him.
Anyway, Casino Royale was what created the dark side of Bond, and it's one of my favorite Fleming novels (On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice -- where he murders Blofeld --being the best two). |
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poddubny
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| this is the guy from 'layer cake'. good movie. good actor. |
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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| what's the big deal about him being blond? everyone seems to have their panties in a bunch about it. i don't even think it's worth mentioning. if you read the online buzz about it, everyone keeps bringing up his haircolor. can someone tell me why this matters? |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
| what's the big deal about him being blond? everyone seems to have their panties in a bunch about it. i don't even think it's worth mentioning. if you read the online buzz about it, everyone keeps bringing up his haircolor. can someone tell me why this matters? |
I think it's because, as one or more posters already touched upon and as I'm about to exaggerate to an absurdity, Bond is not blond.
Bond is no fair-haired pretty boy. The only thing that could possibly have made Roger Moore a worse choice for 007 would have been if his hair colour were a shade lighter.
Actually, I believe Moore wasn't so light-haired that he couldn't have been a more convincing Bond. But for him to've been credible, he had to have tried not looking so damn pleased and charming in the fun-loving swinger scenes. If he'd had the acting talent -- and desire to use it -- to bring to the role the required amounts of menace, heartlessness and desolation, then I'll bet Swiss James and millions of others wouldn't hold him in such low esteem. He'd never be the best Bond, but he'd not be the embarrassment he is for so many fans of the genre.
Now, Daniel Craig. The blond guy. While obviously not the toothy, pretty-boy type, this fact does not (and I'm not alone in this opinion) make up for or counteract his blondness. Rather, it tends to cast him, as Van Islander said, in the mould of a "cold German corporate militaristic" character.
Let me refine that description: The "Evil Nazi (Closet Gay?) Mad Scientist Bent on World Conquest" type. (My apologies to all the evil, Nazi, (closet gay?), mad scientists bend who aren't bent on world conquest out there, but such stereotypes have long been the stock-in-trade of spy and other cinematic genres; I didn't create them.)
And... who wants a Bond like that?  |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Not me shirley! |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Stone Cold Steve Austin has my vote. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| I believe Moore wasn't so light-haired that he couldn't have been a more convincing Bond. But for him to've been credible, he had to have tried not looking so damn pleased and charming in the fun-loving swinger scenes. If he'd had the acting talent -- and desire to use it -- to bring to the role the required amounts of menace, heartlessness and desolation, then I'll bet Swiss James and millions of others wouldn't hold him in such low esteem. |
I saw something on how the producers were always frustrated with Moore because he refused to manhandle or be rough with any woman. Said it wasn't gentlemanly.
But no one ever told Moore: Bond was no gentleman. Bond manhandles women. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:39 am Post subject: |
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oh he 'spanks' the crap out of girls in most of the books.
Interesting that Moore refused to manhandle women, but had no problem with riding in a car with Sheriff 'Jay W Pepper' as it flips over a river in slow motion with a swannee whistle sound effect. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Sheriff 'Jay W Pepper' |
"A secret agent! On whose side!?"
"Boy! You is ugly." |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Craig is a good actor. But so is Dustin Hoffman, and that worthy for damn sure shouldn't be the next bond. Craig's problem is that he looks like a total bastard. I first saw him in Road to Perdition, and I remember thinking that guy's a total bastard. Of course he was only playing a role, and he's probably a nice guy in real life; but he's going to piss off a lot of people when he plays Bond.
But maybe that's the goal. And maybe that's a good thing. James Bond on screen hasn't been remotely interesting for decades. But it's like McDonalds: people keep going back regardless.
Sparkles*_* |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Swiss James wrote: |
| oh he 'spanks' the crap out of girls in most of the books. |
As I recall he murdered a couple of them, didn't he? And when he killed Blofeld, didn't he also kill some Japanese girl just for being there? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| Swiss James wrote: |
| oh he 'spanks' the crap out of girls in most of the books. |
As I recall he murdered a couple of them, didn't he? And when he killed Blofeld, didn't he also kill some Japanese girl just for being there? |
I don't remember. I thought he just watched some Japanese people commit suicide as he waited in the garden before murdering Blofeld. But didn't he kill Blofeld's wife and several henchmen inside the castle? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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I read them a long time ago so my memory is pretty fuzzy. As I remember it he kills the girl in the end of "The Spy Who Loved Me".
He kills Blofeld after finding him in a hot tub with a Japanese girl, doesn't he? Maybe my memory is worse than I thought. |
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