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[Moldy Rutabaga]

1. Death Penalty. There is a potential for jurors to acquit because they are squeamish about applying the penalty, and certainly there are miscarriages of justice. But in general I believe it is occasionally warrented and necessary to keep public order. A defensive war involves killing in a state-sanctioned way, and the principle is similar.

2. Abortion. I'm a Christian; to me it's murder. Nevertheless, I'm a practicalist. As much as I dislike abortion, a majority of people have decided they accept it, and I respect a secular society's legislation. The only thing I won't back down on is that doctors should not be forced to perform the procedure if they disapprove of it.

3. Iraq. Good Lord. What a mess. But we've bought the farm now. The best we can do now is to stabilize the situation, try to restore the country to some sense of normalcy, and depart when a constitution and police system is in place, realizing that the Arab world will never leave the 14th century until we stop buying their damn oil. And then to avoid such boondoggles in the future.

4. Drug War. Man, if we worried one tenth about the damage done because of booze or cigarettes instead of a little harmless pot. Legalize marijuana. Help foster aid and economic stability in the third world so that people won't grow the hard stuff instead of dropping bombs. Legalize marijuana. Admit that a law that most people don't think is justified undermines compliance for all laws. Legalize marijuana.

5. Gun Control. Require mandatory training for owners. Regulate sales of bullets. Punish severely crimes committed with guns. Prohibit classes of guns obviously designed for mass mayhem. But don't persecute piddly-arse citizens with hobby guns or hunting rifles with massively inefficient and wasteful registration systems.

6. Big drug companies. Severely shorten time limits for drugs to go generic. Break apart collusive monopolies. But do realize that these companies invent new products that save lives and employ people. Invest in virtual-reality testing systems so that animals aren't necessary.

Just my 2c, as requested.
Ken:>

[Ya-ta Boy]

1. Death Penalty: I used to be 100% opposed to it, but am less so now. Maybe 75% opposed.

2. Abortion: Should be legal but only in restricted situations, like rape and genetic diseases. Definitely should not be used as a form of birth control. That's what the word 'no' is for.

3. Iraq: One of the stupidest moves ever. No known solution.

4. Drug war: Legalization would take the money out of the motivation. It's way past time.

5. Gun Control: No problem with hunting weapons. No reason for civilians to own military weapons.

6. Drug companies: They act like protected monopolies. No reason for them to be able to charge significantly different prices in different countries for the same drug. It's robbery.

7. Doctor-assisted suicide: It's reasonable and humane. Kevorkian should be given a medal.

8. Gay marriage: Any two people of legal age should be allowed to make whatever family arrangement they want. The state has no vested interest except in the distribution of property when the marriage fails.

9. Computer viruses: The makers should spend long lonely years in jail.

[Manner of Speaking]

1. The Death Penalty - I favor it for genocide and crimes against humanity. Pol Pot, Pinochet, and the like. And sometimes I think drunk drivers who kill people should get it. My preferred method for the death penalty is explosion preceeded by a 60-second countdown.

2. Abortion - pro-choice.

3. Iraq -

4. Recreational Drugs - there is a company in the US that is working on a nicotine vaccine. It induces the immune system to attack the nicotine molecule and prevent it from affecting the brain. More research to develop childhood vaccines for addictive drugs like nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, crack, etc., could do a lot to wipe out the drug problem. I favor legalization of marijuana in Canada. Other countries have the right to set their own laws and expect foreign visitors to follow them.

5. Gun Control - I'm Canadian. We're not interested in guns.

6. Drug Companies - drug prices and marketing practices are a problem, but I don't see much wrong with drug companies themselves.

[EFLtrainer]

1. Death Penalty- pointless, immoral, should be stopped. However, I suppose it does save about 40k a year per...

Personally, I would strongly support something like a penal colony a la Escape from NY, but not one with wardens and such beatin bloody hell out of the inmates.

2. Abortion- Pro-choice, but would not myself. Word on the men being excluded, but no clue how to get around it... File a civil suit??

3. Iraq- Huge mistake. So many different ways to handle it.

4. Drug War- stupid.

5. Gun Control- Not sure where the balance lies, but definitely do need it. However, it may be best handled with extreme measureswithin criminal law rather than limiting the guns. Having Bush in the WH has brought home the need for an armed populace.

6. Big drug companies- Nasty buggers, but current US drug policy is equally poor.

7. Doctor-assisted suicide: It's reasonable and humane. Kevorkian should be given a medal. <--agree.

8. Gay marriage: support it.

9. Computer viruses: The makers should long lonely years in jail. <-- agree

[joe_doufu]

1. Death Penalty -- Why waste so much money and time on condemned criminals? Let's use them to *earn* money by staging gladiator battles between them, and put it on pay-per-view!

2. Abortion -- I think it should be legal to "abort" Christian nutters who camp out in front of clinics.

3. Iraq -- A great project, like nothing that's ever been tried before, and I hope it succeeds. If it does, it'll be a guiding light for the rest of the middle east and might just change the world.

4. Drug War -- I'm tired of Baby Boomers and their neuroses. Let them have their silly drug war, if that's what pleases them.

5. Gun Control -- Definitely you should have to be over 21 and take a gun safety course, before being allowed to carry a concealed weapon. Hand grenades and assault rifles should be prohibited except for hunting and fishing purposes.

6. Big Drug Companies -- Keep up the good work! Definitely we've got to make Canada and Europe pay for exploiting the US to get low drug prices though. That should be a priority.

7. Lawsuits -- Frivolous. They serve as a way for "robin hoods" in the jury and on the bench to steal money from the big, bad companies and give it to the poor, wittle swindlers and con artists. The law should limit payouts to a modest amount like $250,000.

[jinglejangle]

1. Death Penalty- All for it. I'm in favor of limiting appeals and the time involved for them, and in expanding the number of crimes it covers as well. Gang rape, raping strangers (to much room for error when we're talking date rape) sexual abuse of children, any situation where someone was imprisoned and tortured/beaten/raped, any murder commited in the course of an armed robbery, any organized crime related killing, treason/espionage for a foreign government, desertion in combat for soldiers, war crimes such as massacering civilians irregardless of whether it was done for motives of genocide, murder by drunk driving, etc.

I am also in favor of some checks and balances on this, such as a well funded federal institution assigned to investigate all death penalty cases between the Police/Government and a private defendant, in order to prevent the killing of innocents/political victims by police/goverment corruption.

2. Abortion- I'm pro-life to begin with, but even in a pro-choice nation I think the fathers consent should be required. If he refuses to give it she should have custody of the kid long enough for it to be born and then she should be able to permanently waive all rights and the male should become solely responsible, but there should be a period of a few months for her to reconsider.

I lost my first (and so far only) child before I ever knew the woman was pregnant, and that recently, so I may not be thinking most clearly on this one right now.

3. Iraq- Huge mistake. Amen. We need to either fully commit ourselves to it to a much greater extant than we currently are or else get out now.

4. Drug War- Either legalize them or make them illegal and enforce it. This halfway enforcement business isn't benefiting anyone but the mafias and 3rd world revolutionary groups in charge of supply.
If we actually fortified the border and checked everything coming through we could stop fiancial aid to the colombians and the rest of the supplying nations to pay for it. Right now our population gives more money to rebels down there by buying their drugs than our government gives to their armies to fight the rebels. Who do you think is winning?

I'm in favor of the legalization and heavy taxation of marijuana to fund this. We can't stop people from growing pot here anyway. At least take the profits away from organized crime.

5. Gun Control- In favor of private gun ownership in countries where there is a precedance. Denying people in a gun flooded country like America is tantamount to murder.
In countries like England, Japan, Korea, where there are few guns on the streets to begin with and a working gun control already in effect I would be reluctant to say that they should legalize them. But America definately cannot afford to strip our citizens of their arms. Society could well disentigrate under the subsequent and immediate pressure of crime, and many law abiding citizens, myself included, would never willingly disarm. I love my family and I intend to protect them.

6. Big drug companies- ""Nasty buggers, but current US drug policy is equally poor."" Amen. We should still drag the CEOs out in the streets and slaughter them.

7. Doctor-assisted suicide: No real problem with this one, if it can be clearly demonstrated (on legal paperwork) to be the wishes of a mentally competant patient. (Preferably the same patient which will be injected.)

8. Gay marriage: Dislike it, but don't really see much moral grounds for suppression.

9. Computer viruses: The makers should long lonely years in jail. <-- agree<--agree

[Dude Love]

1. Death Penalty- 100% opposed. Look at the numbers. It doesn't discourage crime and two wrongs don't make a right.

2. Abortion-I don't support the abortion holocaust, and it is a holocaust, believe me. The butchers who perform the procedure are just like slave traders and Nazis who think it's ok to kill/dehumanize anyone who doesn't meet their standards of human life. That why it's hard to feel sorry for abortion butchers who get shot (even though I don't support terrorism). Liberals are killing themselves off with abortion.

3. Iraq- It's a Catch 22. They're there so they'd may as well finish it.

4. Drug War- It's obvious that drugs are wrong but I don't know much about the war.

5. Gun Control- People with criminal record checks and who've passed the relevant courses should be able to own them but there are more important rights worht fighting for.

6. Big drug companies- I haven't thought about it much. I have a hard time trusting them but I'm not some bigot who automatically hates big corporations.

[TheUrbanMyth]

Death Penalty--For it. For the Paul Bernardos of this world anyways.


Abortion--Pro life. 100% against it.

Iraq-- Finish the job. Then get out.

Drug war- Legalize the soft drugs.

Gun control-- Law abiding people should be able to have them.

Big drug companies- Ho-hum. Not really in line with the other topics.

[roybetis1]

Death Penalty- Strongly for, but only in cases where there's no possible doubt of guilt. Videotaped in the act, etc.

Iraq- Hussein is a mass murderer and needed to be removed. If the humanitarian reason doesn't sway you remember nearly everybody believed he had WMD, including Canada and Australia. The fact that he didn't, despite his claims, is irrelevant. To pullout now would result in the country's collapse.

Drug War-The Drug Lords need to be taken out. We need to spend more helping countries like Brazil fight them, not increase penalties for users.

Gun Control-All firearms should be illegal except for the police. If you really want to prove your manliness by blowing away an unarmed duck, use a bow and arrow.

[Freezer Burn]

Death Penalty: Opposed, my country needs to lengthen sentences for violent crimes and parole violators

Abortion: Pro-choice, with respect to fathers in the decision making process, maybe a sign off or at least something in place that allows the fathers to have knowledge of the pregnacy.

Drug War: resources wasted, decriminalize soft drugs.

Iraq War: I was against it, but I hate terriorism more so if it is an atempt to bring terrorists to their knees then maybe it is valid, but then again NZ doesn't have troops there, although Australia does.

Gun Control: transfer the war on drugs to a war on firearms, again NZ\AUS problem with weapons are no where near the scale of America.

Drug Companies: greedy heartless monsters holding the sick ransom till they get the money to pay for their helicopters and BMW's.
I know this sounds crazy but maybe once a medication for a MAJOR disease or illness it should become the property of the world not a drug company that way if anybody needs the drug they can have access to it, i.e HIV\AIDS medications.

Gay Marriage: For it, who has the right to tell anyone who they can spend their lives with, and with todays laws regarding adoption, property taxes etc... it leaves a gay couple without rights afforded to hetero couples.

[Pligganease]

EDIT: ADD EDITS TO COVER THE NEW ISSUES BROUGHT UP BY OTHER POSTERS.

[Ya-ta Boy]

13. How do you stand on adding edits? I'm for it unless held accountable for spelling errors and screwy grammar.

[SuperFly]

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Gun Control- I don't think that anyone should have guns not sold at Wal-Mart. Shotguns? OK Rifles? OK Pistols... Ummm, no. Assault rifles? Go directly to jail.

Well you got the first three words right...

And you're entilted to your interpretation of the variety of arms I have the right to keep and bear and I am entilted to my interpretation. I just want to know, What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? OH WAIT, you're Canadian, right.


Thankfully, I live in a FREE COUNTRY.

If you look at the gun control efforts in Australia, Great Britain and South Africa, you can see the utter failure.

The goal of gun control is not to actually control guns and make the world a safer place, but to control people. It is not as important that you can pass a criminal background check so much as it is that you feel obligated to ask the state for permission to buy a gun. Liberals know gun control laws will not stop criminals, but it will erode the sense of independence and self reliance of regular people until they feel that they can do nothing that does not meet government approval.

Gun owners choose to protect themselves, thank you very much. They do not need government protection anymore than any of the other ill conceived plans of the left. And that is why the liberals want to control their guns

[Pligganease]

[SuperFly]

Best thing for someone like you is a shovel to the back of the head.


Dumbass.

When loaded with 00Buckshot, a shotgun literally "sprays" NINE lead balls, each one the size of a .32 caliber bullet, with just a single pull of the trigger. And it can repeat that "spray & pray" scattering of projectiles seven times without reloading. No handgun or rifle, including "assault rifles", can scatter so many projectiles so fast and more indiscriminantly than can be done from a shotgun. A shotgun can also do more damage to a human body with a single slug than any other bullet shot from any "assault rifle" can do.

you're afraid of the "high-power" bullets shot from an "assault weapon", any common 30 06 used for deer hunting has more than double the power than the average .223 bullet shot from an AR-15 - and with an even farther effective range too.

Dumbass.


Hey G, why don't you go down to wal mart and ask to look at the "special order" book. Then come back and tell me if you still feel the same way.

Dumbass.

You sound like a girl.