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Civilians Killed in U.S. Bombing
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EFLtrainer



Joined: 04 May 2005

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
And a big thank you for hi-jacking what could have been an interesting discussion.

Nuff said.

Nuff was said a long time ago, fella.

It was your choice to perceive insults and insinuations that weren't there and carry on for so long ... it was your choice not to say more than one single thing about the topic in the OP after you began this thread, so do take responsiblity for that and do not place it elsewhere ... finally, of course, it was YOUR choice to post a lengthy article with no link - and thanks for finally agreeing with me enough to post that link by edit.

You coulda saved yerself a little bother by doing so earlier with a quick apology that you were too busy at the time ... oh, and sorry to learn it takes you 6 seconds loger than me to clipboard and paste, even though I somehow manage to do it without having to show the actual url on the page, which sometimes takes up so much room it pushes the page out of whack - pm me, if you want to know the arcane and mysterious "secrets" about how to do this ... one more time, no offense was ever inteneded toward your person, so believe it and move on, okay?



Jesus, I think you've got a somewhat serious condition... Get help.
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The Bobster



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLtrainer wrote:
The Bobster wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
And a big thank you for hi-jacking what could have been an interesting discussion.

Nuff said.

Nuff was said a long time ago, fella.

It was your choice to perceive insults and insinuations that weren't there and carry on for so long ... it was your choice not to say more than one single thing about the topic in the OP after you began this thread, so do take responsiblity for that and do not place it elsewhere ... finally, of course, it was YOUR choice to post a lengthy article with no link - and thanks for finally agreeing with me enough to post that link by edit.

You coulda saved yerself a little bother by doing so earlier with a quick apology that you were too busy at the time ... oh, and sorry to learn it takes you 6 seconds loger than me to clipboard and paste, even though I somehow manage to do it without having to show the actual url on the page, which sometimes takes up so much room it pushes the page out of whack - pm me, if you want to know the arcane and mysterious "secrets" about how to do this ... one more time, no offense was ever inteneded toward your person, so believe it and move on, okay?

Jesus, I think you've got a somewhat serious condition... Get help.

I recall you complaikned about yuour thread getting hijacked - I pointed out that you did it yourself. I also continued the discussion that seemed to have so muchg regret about losing the train of ... yet it seems you yourself have lost interest.

Here's something from Juan Cole's entry of Sept 25, talkikng about the US military's unfortunate tendency to destroy entire cities full of civilians.

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In the meantime, the US has now attacked another Sunni city, this time the Turkmen stronghold of Tal Afar. In the continued "scorched earth" policy of the US military in the Sunni areas, a joint US/ Iraqi (mostly Kurdish) force appears to have levelled entire neighborhoods in Tal Afar, a northern Turkmen city, making most of its 200,000 inhabitants refugees living in squalid tent camps or with friends and relatives elsewhere. The operation yielded relatively few arrested terrorists. There is a news blackout on Tal Afar imposed by the US and the Iraqi authorities. This move is draconian and anyway unnecessary, since the American cable news channels have already imposed a global news blackout in favor of playing "Weather Channel" 24/7. Members of a Red Crescent delegation reached Tal Afar, but had their cell phones confiscated, were told to distribute aid in a remote and little known part of the city, and ended up mainly giving help to the displaced persons in their tent settlements: ' Hasan Bal, a member of the Red Crescent team that went to Tal Afar, stressed that theirs was a very difficult mission. ''The people and especially the children in Tal Afar are living in miserable conditions. Their conditions are indescribable. It is practically impossible not to cry for them,'' noted Bal. '

Basically, if all the US military in Iraq is capable of is operations like Fallujah and Tal Afar, then they really need to get out of the country quick before they drive the whole country, and the region, into chaos.

It is easy to blame the US media for quiet acquiescence in tghe face of atrocities - what I suspect is true is that most Americans just don't want to know.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, get help.
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Hyalucent



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please refrain from personal attacks and limit your posts to the subject at hand.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's from last Tuesday's Washington Post :

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The U.S. military said it killed a total of 70 insurgents in Sunday's airstrikes and, in a statement, said it knew of no civilian deaths.

At Ramadi hospital, distraught and grieving families fought over body parts severed by the airstrikes, staking rival claims to what they believed to be pieces of their loved ones.


I'm trying to recall the last time the US military said it knoew of any civilian deaths. I can't.
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