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VC
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: Minors convicted of sexually abusing each other |
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Children convicted of sexual abuse to each other
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OGDEN -- A 13-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were convicted in Ogden juvenile court of sexual abuse of a minor for having sex with each other.
The Utah Court of Appeals on Wednesday heard an appeal in behalf of the now-14-year-old girl, who had a baby as a result of the relations with the boy.
She has kept the baby.
Defense attorney Randy Richards contends the felony conviction of the girl violates the constitutional equal protection conviction.
Two 14-yearolds having sex may be charged only with a Class B misdemeanor and for 16- and 17-year-olds, intercourse is illegal only if one participant is 10 years older than the other, Richards said.
Utah still has a law that makes adultery and fornication a class B misdemeanor, but it has not been enforced in 50 years.
Richards asked the Utah Court of Appeals to dismiss Juvenile Court Judge Michael Andrus' conviction of his client or reduce the charge.
The case was reported to authorities by a doctor during the girl's pregnancy, Richards said.
Richards worries that any violation of her probation, which could extend another seven years, could result in her having her child taken away from her.
"For now she has a juvenile felony record," he said.
He expects a decision from the appeals panel within a few months.
http://www.heraldextra.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=67080 |
A law that was probably written to protect minors from being sexually abused by adults is now being used to convict minors who "sexually abuse" each other. What good can come of this? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Par for the course ... all too absurd.
Nonsense legislation needed to keep the growing # of law school graduates busy.
If it ain't a crime today, fear not: it will be tomorrow. Keep building those private prisons for profit.
http://www.prisonplanet.com |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:47 am Post subject: |
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what happenned to, like playing soccer, and talking about the other gender?
*beep* the legalistics of this case.....wtf is going on here? why do kids have to have sex???? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
what happenned to, like playing soccer, and talking about the other gender?
*beep* the legalistics of this case.....wtf is going on here? why do kids have to have sex???? |
Because pop culture makes them think that they are supposed to.
Honestly, I say that it is perfectly acceptable to blame MTV. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Minors convicted of sexually abusing each other |
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Children convicted of sexual abuse to each other
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OGDEN -- A 13-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were convicted in Ogden juvenile court of sexual abuse of a minor for having sex with each other.
The Utah Court of Appeals on Wednesday heard an appeal in behalf of the now-14-year-old girl, who had a baby as a result of the relations with the boy.
She has kept the baby.
Defense attorney Randy Richards contends the felony conviction of the girl violates the constitutional equal protection conviction.
Two 14-yearolds having sex may be charged only with a Class B misdemeanor and for 16- and 17-year-olds, intercourse is illegal only if one participant is 10 years older than the other, Richards said.
Utah still has a law that makes adultery and fornication a class B misdemeanor, but it has not been enforced in 50 years.
Richards asked the Utah Court of Appeals to dismiss Juvenile Court Judge Michael Andrus' conviction of his client or reduce the charge.
The case was reported to authorities by a doctor during the girl's pregnancy, Richards said.
Richards worries that any violation of her probation, which could extend another seven years, could result in her having her child taken away from her.
"For now she has a juvenile felony record," he said.
He expects a decision from the appeals panel within a few months.
http://www.heraldextra.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=67080 |
A law that was probably written to protect minors from being sexually abused by adults is now being used to convict minors who "sexually abuse" each other. What good can come of this? |
I don't know much about this case in particular.. but the words UTAH jump out over and over and over in my head as I read it.
Utah.. Mormonism.. Mormonish.. Utah.. fornification as I'm sure they see it.
I'm sure this has a lot more to do with Utah State Law and breaking rules from the Book of Mormonism. Kind of an interesting court case.
Throughout the other 49 states.. underage teenage pregnancy is sadly commonplace.. interesting to see a court case with Mormon Utah and how it deals with this legally.. very interesting. Hope the case gets more media attention and stays in the public eye a bit. |
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VC
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Minors convicted of sexually abusing each other |
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Children convicted of sexual abuse to each other
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
OGDEN -- A 13-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy were convicted in Ogden juvenile court of sexual abuse of a minor for having sex with each other.
The Utah Court of Appeals on Wednesday heard an appeal in behalf of the now-14-year-old girl, who had a baby as a result of the relations with the boy.
She has kept the baby.
Defense attorney Randy Richards contends the felony conviction of the girl violates the constitutional equal protection conviction.
Two 14-yearolds having sex may be charged only with a Class B misdemeanor and for 16- and 17-year-olds, intercourse is illegal only if one participant is 10 years older than the other, Richards said.
Utah still has a law that makes adultery and fornication a class B misdemeanor, but it has not been enforced in 50 years.
Richards asked the Utah Court of Appeals to dismiss Juvenile Court Judge Michael Andrus' conviction of his client or reduce the charge.
The case was reported to authorities by a doctor during the girl's pregnancy, Richards said.
Richards worries that any violation of her probation, which could extend another seven years, could result in her having her child taken away from her.
"For now she has a juvenile felony record," he said.
He expects a decision from the appeals panel within a few months.
http://www.heraldextra.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=67080 |
A law that was probably written to protect minors from being sexually abused by adults is now being used to convict minors who "sexually abuse" each other. What good can come of this? |
I don't know much about this case in particular.. but the words UTAH jump out over and over and over in my head as I read it.
Utah.. Mormonism.. Mormonish.. Utah.. fornification as I'm sure they see it.
I'm sure this has a lot more to do with Utah State Law and breaking rules from the Book of Mormonism. Kind of an interesting court case.
Throughout the other 49 states.. underage teenage pregnancy is sadly commonplace.. interesting to see a court case with Mormon Utah and how it deals with this legally.. very interesting. Hope the case gets more media attention and stays in the public eye a bit. |
That could have something to do with it. I found these quotations from Mormon leaders about how sexual sin is second only to murder in Mormon doctrine-
http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/mormon_sex_war.htm
"The early apostles and prophets mention sins which seemed completely reprehensible to them. Some of them were adultery, being without natural affection, lustfulness, infidelity, incontinence, filthy communications, impurity, inordinate affection, inventors of evil things. Today we call them necking, petting, fornication, sex perversion and m*sturbation. Included are every hidden and secret sin, and all unholy and impure thoughts and practices. Next to the unpardonable sin (of murder) come the diabolical crimes of sexual impurity which raise their ugly heads in many different forms, including aberrations of self-pollution (m*sturbation) and the abhorrent and unnatural practices involving other people (petting, fornication, homosexuality)."
- First Presidency Pamphlet, "To The Returning Missionary", Page 11, still distributed today to most Returned-Missionaries.
"Sometimes we give as reasons for the law of chastity the risk of pregnancy or abortion, the possibility of an unwanted or embarrassing marriage, or the chance of a terrible venereal disease. As serious as these things are, I��m not sure they are the fundamental reason for the Lord��s having placed this commandment ahead of armed robbery, fraud, and kidnapping in the seriousness of sins. Think of it - unchastity is second only to murder. Perhaps there is a common element in those two things - chastity and murder."
-Elder Bruce C. Hafen, 'The Gospel and Romantic Love,' Tambuli, June 1983, page 23
And m*sturbation can lead to homosexuality-
"Prophets anciently and today condemn m*sturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual m*sturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Minors convicted of sexually abusing each other |
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And m*sturbation can lead to homosexuality-
"Prophets anciently and today condemn m*sturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual m*sturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82. |
Self-love ( did this "dirty" little word make it past the "language" censor? ) breeds gays? Hmmmmm ... it wasn't so long ago conventional "wisdom" had it as causing insanity ... or even blindness  Geee ... i wonder who mighta cooked this one up?
Actually, y'know, now that i come to think of it, IT can also lead to taking a nap, or going to the fridge for a glass of water, or maybe just reading a book or listening to music. An all too absurd & fallacious attempt to definitively link self arousal & people suddenly becoming gay.
As a side note, the classic Hebrew for SIN apparently meant to literally "spill one's seed on the ground".
Sure, kids of that age ( in the modern west ) should not be sexually active, but sometimes they are. Let's not forget either, many places in the world youths have long been married off by 12.
Ought it be a crime? Only if statist society is increasingly in favour of advocating ridiculous legislation.
Judging from stories like this, apparently it is. |
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