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wannago

Joined: 16 Apr 2004

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:27 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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You think Keynes was wrong, then?

I think there is a place for Keynesian economics, but the trend since the 1980s has been for less state ownership and less regulation. Thus, the old school socialists were forced to take their battle against capitalist society into the schools, universities, and the media, and in this they have been largely successful.

As evidenced by the loads of anti-capitalist crap posted on this very board.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:34 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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Now the left is effete. It's about arrogant over educated guilt ridden idiots who look down on the people they're claiming to help.

You're quite right. Due to the fact that they have basically lost the argument on the economy, they are left touting the wonders of 'multiculturalism', and defending reactionary sexist imams who support suicide bombings. The Left used to be a noble movement of the working class and enlightened middle class, fighting for the rights of those in poverty and at the bottom of the ladder. It was the movement of Keir Hardie, Bevan and Wilson. God knows what they would make of the anti-Western, morally relativistic bunch of effette middle class twats who populate it today.

They? Who are these 'they' people? They sound like S.O.B.s. Aside from the mayor of London, who else are we talking about? and more importantly, who on this board is "defending reactionary sexist imams who support suicide bombings"? To make matters even more confusing, isn't the traditional defender of the left in the UK the Labour Party? And which Party's government particpated in the invasion of Iraq? Does that mean Blair is a morally relativistic effette middle class *beep*, or no?

In short, it sounds like a lot of strawmen and horseshit.

Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:26 am Post subject:

Poofters our word you can't use it anymore..... That is all

Emu Bitter

Joined: 27 May 2004
Location: Bundang

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:15 am Post subject:

I couldn't resist a peek before I ignore you fuckknuckles who think you're doing something important here. Deseltude, mate 6 years in Korea mate. Also btw I'm an athiest & former union rep which is where I learned that capitalism doesn't work.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:46 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

I understand defending the right of people to speak their mind, but inviting them to London and giving them a platform and a veneer of legitimacy is going too far.

You are contradicting yourself. I need not say more.

igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:

SuperFly wrote:

Where is this guy now anyways? Was he killed? Seems to have just quietly disappeared.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:21 am Post subject:

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You are contradicting yourself. I need not say more.

No, I'm not. If muslim clerics want to say that homosexuality is evil then so be it. I do not agree with the elected leader of London inviting them to city hall and parading them as 'moderates' who are above criticism.

desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:

Emu Bitter wrote:

I couldn't resist a peek before I ignore you *beep* who think you're doing something important here.
Deseltude, mate 6 years in Korea mate. Also btw I'm an athiest & former union rep which is where I learned that capitalism doesn't work.

I'm not sure what your "mate" is referring to, but if it is a comparison of working class work history- 5 years Teamster truck driving Trans-Alaska Pipeline, for just one former "career"- checkmate. Cool

Teaching English in Korea is good experience, etc., but blue collar cred it ain't.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:33 am Post subject:

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They? Who are these 'they' people? They sound like S.O.B.s. Aside from the mayor of London, who else are we talking about?

Large sections of the broadcast media and academia are distinctly liberal and anti-Western. The mayor of London is just the most recognisable figure. I have already shown that muslim groups, that are distinctly anti-Semitic and reactionary are treated with kid gloves by the governing class and the likes of the BBC.

Of course, not all the left have sold out to multiculturalism and moral relativism. There are still some decent socialists left.

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To make matters even more confusing, isn't the traditional defender of the left in the UK the Labour Party?

They used to be.

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Does that mean Blair is a morally relativistic effette middle class *beep*, or no?

Firstly, Tony Blair is not wholly representative of his party.

RokofKangnam

Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Between a ROK and a Hard Place

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:06 am Post subject:

igotthisguitar wrote:

SuperFly wrote:

Where is this guy now anyways? Was he killed? Seems to have just quietly disappeared.

I think the US grabbed him, he was on the deck of cards. Probably sitting in some comfy white collar prison cell now.
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