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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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I'm glad there is low tourism because prices for goods remain relatively low and Korea remains what it is.
Who cares about tourism? Since when was the amount of moronic westerners acompanied with beach ball and sunglasses the measure of what maketh a place? Millions of people flock to Mallorca and Ibiza in Spain every year - does that mean they're better, more interesting places than Hamburg or Copenhagen? No - it just means the weather's nice, it's easy to get laid and it's full of western depravity that appeals to the small of mind. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I think the subtext of this post is sad. It's another of those "Look at me, Ma" articles. Korea has a lot to be proud of. These things do not include changing the name of the body of water that is east of here just to satisfy an ego problem. That does not mean people don't know about Korea or what she produces. What it reminds me of most is that large, rather empty country that is north of where I am from.
Koreans would be a lot happier if they just relaxed and took pride in their accomplishments and stopped measuring measuring themselves against other countries. Life is not about how you rank against other countries. Life is about what you do with the hand you are dealt. There are other people in this world that could benefit from that statement. |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!
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There is some truth to it....
No one knows anything about Korea back home. People think it is part of China, that they speak Chinese. They were worried that I would be living in a 3rd world country with untreatable diseases (let alone a doctor), tiny huts and that I would be killed by gunfire....
I was completely ignorant too until I did some research before coming here.... |
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coldcrush
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Location: melbourne.... Posts: 1
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They were one letter away from the proper name |
Maybe he was German. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Speaking of poor number ability, I found this today in the IHT:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/business/nycrent.php
"The average annual rent was $13,993 a square meter, or $151,124 a square foot..."
A square foot is a smaller area than a square meter. But according to Bloomberg News, rents are more than 10 times more costly when you average it per Sq. foot. Hrm! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: and |
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| and if they really care what we call the Sea of Japan/East Sea (even though it is not Korea's East Sea, I dont think they own it) why don't they learn the America is not a country, America is a continent, in fact there are two of them. I have to teach all my students (and teachers)that i am from the USA, and they dont understand, I have to write out United States of America, and underline USA, then I get the chorus of "ohhh." so figure the name of my country before you complain about an international body of water... |
Though I understand your thinking, it's a bit too late to change the fact that not only do citizens of the U.S. call themselves Americans, but they are called so in many different languages by people around the world, not just Koreans. |
The country is "The United States of America". What is adjective for a person from the USA?
Canada:Canadian
Mexico:Mexican
The United States of America:?
It would seem to me that "The United States of American" is, like parts of me, rather thick and unwieldy. USAsian? I don't begrudge Americans for, you know, calling themselves Americans. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| VAMP has also found that some foreign textbooks misinform students about Korean history, describing the country as originally a colony of China. Other textbooks claim Korean culture originated from Japan and Japanese rule over Korea greatly contributed to Korean development instead of the reverse. Often the books describe Korea's East Sea as the Sea of Japan. |
Korea's East Sea. Idiots.
The rest of it is true...it WAS a colony of China at one point and they DO get a HUGE amount of culture from Japan.
Now on top of being known as ex-colonial culture copycats...we can add whiny self aggrandizers to the list of what the Westeners know about them...
anyone read the recent comments from Miz. Hilary Clinton?? Hmmm?? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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I have now...
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510260015.html
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Hillary Clinton Bemoans "Historical Amnesia" in Korea
A newly hawkish U.S. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday chastised South Korea for what she claimed was a fog of ��historical amnesia" clouding its relationship with Washington. She said the alliance was at a "critical juncture.��
Sen. Clinton, tipped as a main Democrat contender in the 2008 presidential election, was speaking at a confirmation hearing for Gen. Burwell Bell, the commander-designate of the U.S. Forces Korea. Clinton said the U.S. role in bringing about South Korea��s remarkable economic success since the Korean War was significant, but lack of recognition of that view in Korea bordered on "historical amnesia."
She said changes in the dynamic between the two countries were largely due to South Koreans�� lack of ��understanding of the importance of our position there and what we have done over so many decades to provide them the freedom that they have enjoyed to develop the economy that is now providing so many benefits for South Koreans," the senator said. She urged citizens of both countries to acknowledge "what the stakes are."
Bell told the hearing North Korea was continuing to develop ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction that posed a variety of threats to the safety of Northeast Asia and the world. He claimed the threat of North Korean missiles was ��close and fatal,�� and called for the Korea-U.S. alliance to be in a permanent state of readiness to respond to that threat. He said North Korea��s was the world��s forth largest conventional military. It posed a clear threat to South Korean security and regional stability, he said.
Asked about Korean demands that the U.S. return wartime operational control of Korea��s armed forces, Bell said, "Whatever arrangements are made in the future...the unity of effort to bring military capability to bear would not be compromised in any way, shape or form." He backed U.S. moves toward greater ��strategic flexibility�� for its forces in the region, saying they must be in a position to respond to contingencies in other parts of the world and ready for prompt deployment.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| VAMP has also found that some foreign textbooks misinform students about Korean history, describing the country as originally a colony of China. Other textbooks claim Korean culture originated from Japan and Japanese rule over Korea greatly contributed to Korean development instead of the reverse. Often the books describe Korea's East Sea as the Sea of Japan. |
Korea's East Sea. Idiots.
The rest of it is true...it WAS a colony of China at one point and they DO get a HUGE amount of culture from Japan.
Now on top of being known as ex-colonial culture copycats...we can add whiny self aggrandizers to the list of what the Westeners know about them...
anyone read the recent comments from Miz. Hilary Clinton?? Hmmm?? |
I don't mind the East sea thing so much. It is east of the contiguous Asian mainland. The East Sea/Sea of Japan labelling is fine with me. I like Google Earth's most recent solution. The half closest to Korea they call the East sea. The half closest to Japan is the Sea of Japan.
However, the Japanese occupation did bring a lot to modernizations to Korea. Plumbing and electricity most Koreans would argue, rightly, is not worth having your grandmother turned into a sex slave. I'd rather my culture take another 20 years to develop some modern technology than trade my mother's dignity and life.
Much like how Koreans bury their heads into the sand and vomit when the subject of North Korea's kidnapping of South Korean citizens, they seem to have a huge blind spot for the fact the captains of Korean industry back in the '70s were Japanese collaborators. The Japanese collaborators got fabulously rich while their sainted resistance fighters all pretty much died in poverty.
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Immigration is also affecting the world��s knowledge of Korea. The alien work force in South Korea totals somewhere between 378,000 and half a million, most of whom come from South Asian countries, such as India, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, and the Philippines but also from the former Soviet Union countries and Nigeria.
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378,000 <> 500,000
122,000 aliens in DDD limbo? That's a bit careless, South Korea. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:58 am Post subject: Re: and |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
| and if they really care what we call the Sea of Japan/East Sea (even though it is not Korea's East Sea, I dont think they own it) why don't they learn the America is not a country, America is a continent, in fact there are two of them. I have to teach all my students (and teachers)that i am from the USA, and they dont understand, I have to write out United States of America, and underline USA, then I get the chorus of "ohhh." so figure the name of my country before you complain about an international body of water... |
Though I understand your thinking, it's a bit too late to change the fact that not only do citizens of the U.S. call themselves Americans, but they are called so in many different languages by people around the world, not just Koreans. |
The country is "The United States of America". What is adjective for a person from the USA?
Canada:Canadian
Mexico:Mexican
The United States of America:?
It would seem to me that "The United States of American" is, like parts of me, rather thick and unwieldy. USAsian? I don't begrudge Americans for, you know, calling themselves Americans. |
maybe I should have been clearer. I recognize that the adjective for a person from the US is American, what else would we be called, USan...
My point, is that America (not American) is not a country. ask any Canadian. I am from the US, or USA, not from America.
and like i said, not only was this wrong, but they were clueless when I say the USA. I never refer to Korea as Asia. or Koreans as Asians.
and honestly, I didnt care until I read this article.
but also, I dont hear France complaining because the English Channel is not the North Channel, or Norway complaining the North Sea is not the West Sea, I never complain the Gulf of Mexico is not called the Gulf of Texas... |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I think the subtext of this post is sad. It's another of those "Look at me, Ma" articles. Korea has a lot to be proud of. These things do not include changing the name of the body of water that is east of here just to satisfy an ego problem. That does not mean people don't know about Korea or what she produces. What it reminds me of most is that large, rather empty country that is north of where I am from.
Koreans would be a lot happier if they just relaxed and took pride in their accomplishments and stopped measuring measuring themselves against other countries. Life is not about how you rank against other countries. Life is about what you do with the hand you are dealt. There are other people in this world that could benefit from that statement. |
Korea is like a guy who you meet at a bar. At first he seems cool enough. But then he starts bragging about this and that. And he thinks its gonna raise your opinion of him. But of course it just makes you think, "jeez, this guy is totally insecure." And it's a shame, because he really is a nice guy. If he would just shut up. |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:23 am Post subject: |
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Korea doesn't do much to present their case to the world....except for their petty whining about life not being fair.....they believe they are the center of the world so therefore everyone must know it!! but they don't!!!
Korea's image as a tourist destination is about nil and it's no one's fault but their own...if they want people to know about 'em they need to advertise, and in more ways than one...
I bitch a lot about K but I like it here for the most part..I have good K friends and most experiences are okay...I just wish they would stop whining and do something about it....act like adults.. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:39 am Post subject: Re: and |
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| antoniothegreat wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
| and if they really care what we call the Sea of Japan/East Sea (even though it is not Korea's East Sea, I dont think they own it) why don't they learn the America is not a country, America is a continent, in fact there are two of them. I have to teach all my students (and teachers)that i am from the USA, and they dont understand, I have to write out United States of America, and underline USA, then I get the chorus of "ohhh." so figure the name of my country before you complain about an international body of water... |
Though I understand your thinking, it's a bit too late to change the fact that not only do citizens of the U.S. call themselves Americans, but they are called so in many different languages by people around the world, not just Koreans. |
The country is "The United States of America". What is adjective for a person from the USA?
Canada:Canadian
Mexico:Mexican
The United States of America:?
It would seem to me that "The United States of American" is, like parts of me, rather thick and unwieldy. USAsian? I don't begrudge Americans for, you know, calling themselves Americans. |
maybe I should have been clearer. I recognize that the adjective for a person from the US is American, what else would we be called, USan...
My point, is that America (not American) is not a country. ask any Canadian. I am from the US, or USA, not from America.
and like i said, not only was this wrong, but they were clueless when I say the USA. I never refer to Korea as Asia. or Koreans as Asians.
and honestly, I didnt care until I read this article.
but also, I dont hear France complaining because the English Channel is not the North Channel, or Norway complaining the North Sea is not the West Sea, I never complain the Gulf of Mexico is not called the Gulf of Texas... |
Oh, for goodness' sake. It's a freakin contraction. "United States of America" --> "United States of American" --> "... American." You are, in fact, from " ~ America", so get over it.
You want Yankees? Sorry, where is that in the name of the nation? How about Mid-North Americans! Or 'Tweenians, short for "Between Canada and Mexiconians." See to shining seaans? Non-Canadianians?
Get over it, folks. We chose an unwieldy name, people shortened it to not sound stupid as hell. That's it. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: Re: and |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| ladyandthetramp wrote: |
| antoniothegreat wrote: |
| and if they really care what we call the Sea of Japan/East Sea (even though it is not Korea's East Sea, I dont think they own it) why don't they learn the America is not a country, America is a continent, in fact there are two of them. I have to teach all my students (and teachers)that i am from the USA, and they dont understand, I have to write out United States of America, and underline USA, then I get the chorus of "ohhh." so figure the name of my country before you complain about an international body of water... |
Though I understand your thinking, it's a bit too late to change the fact that not only do citizens of the U.S. call themselves Americans, but they are called so in many different languages by people around the world, not just Koreans. |
The country is "The United States of America". What is adjective for a person from the USA?
Canada:Canadian
Mexico:Mexican
The United States of America:?
It would seem to me that "The United States of American" is, like parts of me, rather thick and unwieldy. USAsian? I don't begrudge Americans for, you know, calling themselves Americans. |
maybe I should have been clearer. I recognize that the adjective for a person from the US is American, what else would we be called, USan...
My point, is that America (not American) is not a country. ask any Canadian. I am from the US, or USA, not from America.
and like i said, not only was this wrong, but they were clueless when I say the USA. I never refer to Korea as Asia. or Koreans as Asians.
and honestly, I didnt care until I read this article.
but also, I dont hear France complaining because the English Channel is not the North Channel, or Norway complaining the North Sea is not the West Sea, I never complain the Gulf of Mexico is not called the Gulf of Texas... |
Oh, for goodness' sake. It's a freakin contraction. "United States of America" --> "United States of American" --> "... American." You are, in fact, from " ~ America", so get over it.
You want Yankees? Sorry, where is that in the name of the nation? How about Mid-North Americans! Or 'Tweenians, short for "Between Canada and Mexiconians." See to shining seaans? Non-Canadianians?
Get over it, folks. We chose an unwieldy name, people shortened it to not sound stupid as hell. That's it. |
Exactly. Where are you from? You can say "I'm from the United States of America". You can say "I'm from the United States". Or you can say simply "America". Or you can say "the States". Geez, an American doesn't want to say a mouthful doesn't mean he's laying claim to a whole continent (or in fact two continents north/south and a little middle part called central america...)
I really hate my fellow Canadians who get red assed about this. For every Canadian that gets red assed about America = USA, the same Canadian would be hard put to name the third country that makes up North America... "Oh Mexico is part of North America too?" |
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