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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: Rosa Parks RIP |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9809237/
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DETROIT - Rosa Lee Parks, whose refusal to give up her bus seat to a white man sparked the modern civil rights movement, died Monday. She was 92.
Mrs. Parks died at her home of natural causes, said Karen Morgan, a spokeswoman for U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich.
Mrs. Parks was 42 when she committed an act of defiance in 1955 that was to change the course of American history and earn her the title ��mother of the civil rights movement.��
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder where in the cemetery her burial plot will be. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes the good don't die young ... |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'm writing from a vacation spot of the SE Asia Communist elite. Its not bad here. I'm in Laos. Do you want me to say hello to anyone for you?
I was at a read of a feminist authewr and she ripped on the Left about Rosa Parks. She said Rosa Parks was a manner of phoney. The story is that she was just tired and wanted to ride the bus. The reality is that she is a well rehearsed civil rights activist and that pure innocent strain of humanity she showed was actually well prepared and coordinated with attorneys and media coverage. Do you know about that? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| The story is that she was just tired and wanted to ride the bus. The reality is that she is a well rehearsed civil rights activist and that pure innocent strain of humanity she showed was actually well prepared and coordinated with attorneys and media coverage. Do you know about that? |
What difference does it make which, if either, version is true. The law was immoral, not her motivation. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The story is that she was just tired and wanted to ride the bus. The reality is that she is a well rehearsed civil rights activist and that pure innocent strain of humanity she showed was actually well prepared and coordinated with attorneys and media coverage. |
That makes her more responsible for social change, hence more deserving of credit as an activist! It also makes her more interesting as a person.
Way to go Rosa! You did it! |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent obituary in the Telegraph today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/26/db2601.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/26/ixportal.html
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She knew the driver, James Blake, who previously had ejected her from his bus because she had entered by the front. Blacks were required to pay their fares to the driver at the front, then leave the bus and re-enter by the back door; sometimes a driver would drive away before they could get back on.
Blake did not confront Rosa Parks immediately, but instead asked some of the male blacks in the back if they would give up a seat for her, thus trying to turn the conflict into an issue of chivalry rather than justice. When that failed, Rosa Parks was arrested, fingerprinted and jailed.
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Maybe staged, maybe not: it matters little either way. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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You've probably seen the photograph of Martin Luther King next to Rosa Parks which the right-wingers are so fond of displaying. The photograph is always accompanied by a text stating that the picture was taken at a Communist training school, where the whole incident was planned.
I react with two questions and one statement:
1. How do we know it's not a composite photograph?
(Tabloid newspapers graft photographs together so often that they call them "compugraphs.")
2. How do we know it was at a Communist training school?
3. Assuming that the incident was planned, it was a good idea. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Actaully its not good. Its a lie, its a great big tansgenerational, multi-decade act of phoniness. I think you feel that racism is the ultimate vulgarity and horror so therefore, there are lesser ethics considerations. Racism is worse than lying, so you act. Virtue weighing? It gets tiring. Shes pretty much a 007, instead of Granny oat muffins. She stopped the horrific racist act of back of the bus riding.. Good show! Too bad we could not send here to Zimbabwe to defend against the deprivations there. |
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ladyandthetramp
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
Hi,
I'm writing from a vacation spot of the SE Asia Communist elite. Its not bad here. I'm in Laos. Do you want me to say hello to anyone for you?
I was at a read of a feminist authewr and she ripped on the Left about Rosa Parks. She said Rosa Parks was a manner of phoney. The story is that she was just tired and wanted to ride the bus. The reality is that she is a well rehearsed civil rights activist and that pure innocent strain of humanity she showed was actually well prepared and coordinated with attorneys and media coverage. Do you know about that? |
Yes, it was planned. Yes, at that time there were training schools on how to conduct non-violent protests. There were also the freedom rides, protest marches, sit-ins, etc. Most of them were pre-planned, and quite well, I might say. And in the end, it met with some success, didn't it?
I can't quite understand why a feminist author would claim Rosa Parks was faking being black and faking that blacks were expected to heed to whims of the white man. There is a thing that every social movement needs called strategy. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Rosa Parks = James Bond 007 is the reality. We were always told she was a tired Grandma that wanted dignity. You misrepresented, you lied.
Thats whats wrong with it. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
Rosa Parks = James Bond 007 is the reality. We were always told she was a tired Grandma that wanted dignity. You misrepresented, you lied.
Thats whats wrong with it. |
Rosa Parks, Rigoberta Menchu, even Mother Teresa...
Stop the lies! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rosa Parks = James Bond 007 is the reality. |
How do you manage to get sillier with each post? You've raised it to an art form, of a sort. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I came across a pretty extensive article about Rosa in the Detroit Free Press, talks a lot about her early life and the circumstances around the bus boycott. Check it out.
The James Bond allegations? Wierd, to even spend the finger energy on them, but ...
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In the summer of 1955, Parks attended a 10-day workshop on implementing integration at the Highlander Folk School in Tennessee. A white friend and activist, the late Virginia Durr, recommended her to the program. The integrated school focused on labor relations and race relations.
"One of my greatest pleasures there was enjoying the smell of bacon frying and coffee brewing and knowing that white folks were doing the preparing instead of me," she wrote in her autobiography. "I was 42 years old, and it was one of the few times in my life up to that point when I did not feel any hostility from white people."
Her attendance at the school and her activism with the NAACP is what led some people to believe she was planted on that bus that cloudy day on Dec. 1, 1955.
But there is evidence to the contrary. She did not sit in the white section in the front of the bus. She sat in the first row of what was then called the colored section. But the rule was when the white section filled up, blacks had to move back. |
I've loooked into it a bit, and rather than a Big Lie, all I can see is opportunism on the part of activists and a willingness to be used for what she considereda good purpose on the part of Rosa.
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To pursue a case, the leaders needed someone about whom nothing negative could be said so that nothing could detract from their cause.
Parks denied boarding that bus with that mission in mind. She said that had she been paying closer attention she never would have boarded that particular bus. The driver had put her off the bus 12 years earlier and she always tried to avoid riding his bus. Her offense then: she failed to follow the custom of paying at the front of the bus, getting off and boarding at the rear. She had deposited her money at the front and boarded the bus at the front.
Parks wrote that that time she didn't go to the back door because the steps there were crowded.
For years it has been erroneously reported that Parks refused to give up her seat in 1955 because she was tired from working all day.
Although it is true that she was heading home from her work as a seamstress in a downtown Montgomery department store, it was not tired feet that made her remain seated on the bus.
"People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day.- ?No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in." |
Regardless of the machinations about the original event, the results of it were pivotal in American history.
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Her arrest led to an unprecedented display of black unity in the United States that has not been witnessed since. Black people stayed off Montgomery's city buses for a year, until the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the segregated busing policy was illegal.
They were inspired to stay off the buses at weekly and sometimes twice-weekly church services where their aching souls were soothed by freedom songs, and their aching feet swayed by stirring sermons.
It helped, too, that news coverage attracted worldwide attention, including enough money to finance a separate transportation system made up of a fleet of station wagons assigned to various churches and augmented by black cab drivers, black car owners and whites who either supported their cause or simply needed to get their black help to and from work.
The yearlong boycott stands as the nation's premier model of nonviolent social resistance. |
I like that last line, and that's why I put it in just a tad bit larger here.
The story about not getting up because her feet were tired was never the one Rosa used - dunno where it came from, maybe an urban myth. She knew the consequences of refusing to stand up when told to, and all accounts indicate that she was not a person who sought glory and fame for herself, though she lent what was given to her to further the goals of extending civil and human rights to parts of America that had never experienced them before.
I sort of think all of this is pretty cool.. |
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bitter_hag
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'm writing from a vacation spot of the SE Asia Communist elite. Its not bad here. I'm in Laos. Do you want me to say hello to anyone for you?
I was at a read of a feminist authewr and she ripped on the Left about Rosa Parks. She said Rosa Parks was a manner of phoney. The story is that she was just tired and wanted to ride the bus. The reality is that she is a well rehearsed civil rights activist and that pure innocent strain of humanity she showed was actually well prepared and coordinated with attorneys and media coverage. Do you know about that? |
It's irrelevant as to whether it was sincere or not. The point is it spearheaded a movement that lead to bettering the lives of many. |
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