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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: CD MP3 player vs. MP3 player Reply with quote

i'm thinking of getting a CD MP3 player.
i was on the verge of getting a little MP3 player, but i thought, isn't it a pain in the neck to always have to erase your music to upload new stuff to listen to?
i guess size is a factor. if you work out at a gym, the MP3 player would be good, but otherwise, isn't an MP3 Cd player a better choice? then you can keep your whole music library on just a few discs.

i was looking at the sony models and they come with software called attrac or something, where you can fit about 30 CDs onto 1 CD. that's a lot of music....

anyway, i'm rambling. does anyone else have a CD MP3 player and how do you like it?
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an iRiver player that was CD and MP3 capable. I never listened to an MP3 disc on it. One blank disc is 700MB, and one disc made into MP3s is about 80MB, so that's about 9 audio CDs onto one MP3 disc. That's not enough and it's still a bundle to carry around if you want all of your music and you have over 400 CDs. Plus, you have to search around within the discs for whatever you want to listen to, and I don't like the way the player did it.

Changing the music on a flash MP3 player is simple and takes very little time.

KPRROK
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had an iRiver player that was CD and MP3 capable. I never listened to an MP3 disc on it. One blank disc is 700MB, and one disc made into MP3s is about 80MB, so that's about 9 audio CDs onto one MP3 disc. That's not enough and it's still a bundle to carry around if you want all of your music and you have over 400 CDs. Plus, you have to search around within the discs for whatever you want to listen to, and I don't like the way the player did it.


that's why i'm interested in the software that comes with the sony models because it claims that you can really compress the MP3's so you can fit an unbelievable amount of songs onto one CD. i dunno. i'm gonna check it out.
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Metsuke



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you still want to deal with CD's? I mean... go to Costco... pick up an IPOD and be done with it.
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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: compression Reply with quote

Remember that with any compression format there is a tradeoff. So while you may be able to squeeze more files onto the disc you are very likely going to loose alot of data during compression. In general it's best to stick to higher file sizes to try and retain the sound quality inherent in the CD. Remember that even CD's lack the fidelity of analog sources. So, if you value quality in your music you might consider avoiding sony's proprietary compression technologies. Having said that I don't have any information or technical data to suggest that the sony algorithm is more or less lossy than a standard mp3 conversion so that might be something you could search for on the web. Just my 20 won.

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AbbeFaria



Joined: 17 May 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford to get an mp3 player, then it is well worth it. For my money, it's the iPod. I have a mini, which they don't make anymore, and I can easily fit all the music I own on it. The battery life is awesome as well. It will run for about 12 to 14 hours between charges. I don't have to delete anything when adding new music. If you're buying a smaller flash player, then yeah, that would probably be an issue if you are wanting to carry around loads of music. For now, if all you can afford is a mp3 cd player, then you should just save up for a month or so until you've got money to get a good mp3 player and you'll be much happier.

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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you can afford to get an mp3 player, then it is well worth it. For my money, it's the iPod. I have a mini, which they don't make anymore, and I can easily fit all the music I own on it. The battery life is awesome as well. It will run for about 12 to 14 hours between charges. I don't have to delete anything when adding new music. If you're buying a smaller flash player, then yeah, that would probably be an issue if you are wanting to carry around loads of music. For now, if all you can afford is a mp3 cd player, then you should just save up for a month or so until you've got money to get a good mp3 player and you'll be much happier.



thanks for the advice.
how big is your ipod, i mean, 4 gigs?
i just worry because i really have a lot of music, and i like downloading audiobooks, etc, and i don't like the thought of updating my music all the time.....seems to me burning a new CD would be easier than erasing stuff....i dunno.
it might be worth getting the mini anyway.....since the nanos came out, won't they go down in price?
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't know how much you mean by a lot of music, but I've got a 40 gig MP3 player (iRiver) and I think there are ones out there now that go up to 60 gigs.

So far on mine there are 5557 'songs'- and quite a few of those songs are 1+ hour long DJ sets. I could never go back to using a portable CD player, even an MP3 one.
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metsuke wrote:
Why do you still want to deal with CD's? I mean... go to Costco... pick up an IPOD and be done with it.


Amen to that. I have all of my CD's, and a ton of downloaded stuff on my IPod. CD's are for loading and storing, couldn't be fussed actually playing them!
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how big is your ipod, i mean, 4 gigs?


Try 40, and some are 60.
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kprrok



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also the comment was made that you don' want to spend tim deleting your music and re-loading it etc. With USB 2.0, it takes about 5 minutes to completely change every song on my 1GB flash player. I have every MP3 on my desktop and burned onto DVDs as backup.

The time it takes to "refill" a player should be of minimal concern. It doesn't take long at all. Look for other reasons for or against a pure MP3 player.

KPRROK
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AbbeFaria



Joined: 17 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
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If you can afford to get an mp3 player, then it is well worth it. For my money, it's the iPod. I have a mini, which they don't make anymore, and I can easily fit all the music I own on it. The battery life is awesome as well. It will run for about 12 to 14 hours between charges. I don't have to delete anything when adding new music. If you're buying a smaller flash player, then yeah, that would probably be an issue if you are wanting to carry around loads of music. For now, if all you can afford is a mp3 cd player, then you should just save up for a month or so until you've got money to get a good mp3 player and you'll be much happier.



thanks for the advice.
how big is your ipod, i mean, 4 gigs?
i just worry because i really have a lot of music, and i like downloading audiobooks, etc, and i don't like the thought of updating my music all the time.....seems to me burning a new CD would be easier than erasing stuff....i dunno.
it might be worth getting the mini anyway.....since the nanos came out, won't they go down in price?


My mini is 4 gigs, but they don't make them anymore, the Nano replaced the mini. The biggest Nano is 4 gigs and will hold roughly a thousand songs (same as my Mini), and that one is US $249. If you go up $50 dollars you can get a 30 gig iPod that will hold aprox. 7500 songs. Another hundred bucks on top of that and you can get a 60 gig iPod, which I'm fairly sure is the largest one they make.

If the harddrive players are what your after, but you don't know what kind to get, iRiver or iPod etc., do a search online for reviews n'such and that can help you make your choice. New mp3 players are always reviewed in all the tech magazines and New York Times etc. As I said, for my money it's the iPod, hands down. It took me 15 seconds to master the navigation and I take it almost every where I go and it's going to be a lifesaver on my flight to Korea in a couple of weeks.

You'd need to install iTunes to run it, but it's a free program, and it does give you access to the music store and it has a huge selection of Audio books. It's the undisputed king of online music retaliers and has the bonus of not paying a monthly fee. Subscription sites like Yahoo and Napster will allow you to download as much as you want and still only pay $5.99 or whatever their fee is, but if you ever unsubscribe you can't listen to the music any longer. W/iTunes you have to pay a per song fee, but it's yours forever and you can copy it I think three times to another computer or cd etc.

Oh, and another thing, if you get the 30 gig iPod, they also play video and are working with television networks to allow tv shows to be downloaded from iTunes. They have a few already, but I'm sure there will be more. I'm holding out for Smallville, since that's one of the shows I'll miss when in SK. Some people, even on here, have said that no one would want to watch anything on a 2.5 inch screen, but they've had the service up for roughly a month and they've already sold over 1 million downloads so it must be working out fine. My mini and also the Nano, does not play video so I'll be needing to upgrade soon.

I'm biased and I know it, I'm a Mac user, so if you don't want to take my word for it do the research and see what best fits your needs. Hope this was helpful. PM me if you have any questions about any of it.

-S-
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with the MP3 flash player. A 512 mb version is cheap and holds nearly as much as a CD. It's smaller. The battery lasts longer. And it doesn't skip. I've had MP3 CD players that have ostensibly great anti-skip buffers and they still skip.
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plattwaz



Joined: 08 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to Korea, CD-MP3 players were new to the market, I had my choice of one -- a Sony, and I paid about $350 for it Shocked
I took all of my CDs, changed them into MP3s and then brought just one CD pack with me, that had all 200 of my CDs as MP3s.

I was planning on getting an MP3 player this fall, had narrowed it down to two different iRivers that I wanted, and I changed my mind. I figured that I am not always going to have a computer in the next year or two (leaving here soon, and going travelling, going to be living in some semi-permanent places for a few months at a time) to download and manage my tunes with.

So, I've just decided that although the CD player is not as convenient on the subway or at the gym, it was certainly fine for me when MP3players weren't an option.

The other thing is that technology frustrates me -- everytime I get something, it's a matter of months before a bigger, faster, smaller, zippier model is available, and my product is practicially obsolete Sad
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, although everyone advised against it, i got a sony D-NE820 CDMP3 player yesterday.

i can fit almost 500 song on one CD and the quality is great.

i'm with plattwaz.....this is fine for now. i'll be able to fit everything i have on not too many CDs. even if i go on a trip, one CD with 400 songs is enough to listen to, so no need to lug CDs around.

also, money. it cost me 109,000 won.....
i'll try it for a while and MP3 players will always be around...

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everytime I get something, it's a matter of months before a bigger, faster, smaller, zippier model is available, and my product is practicially obsolete


very true.
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ejmlab



Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So long as you're happy with your choice all is well. The most important thing about buying technology is knowing your current needs, predicting future needs and making a purchase that satsifies those needs. If you've done that you won't have to worry about the next greatest thing because the one you have does everything you need it to.

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