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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: Liberals Abuse of Blacks with Illegal Immigration |
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One of the more maddening things about illegal immigration is the negation of EEO laws and the instistance that the two have no effect on each other.
For decades Liberals honed and crafted a Equal Opportunity juggernaut. They created a legion of courts and laws and regulations and lawyers. They looked Blacks right in the eye and said "Trust me, I am your friend, I will defend you and give you the rights you have been denied".
To wit, and with much celebration EEO chugged along for 40 years. Then, in the early 70's the illegal immigrants from Mexico started arriving. The Liberals were amazed and their skin color and and odd customs. They decided they liked Mexicans better than Black people. Black people were discarded as old toys but Liberals still insisted they were Black peoples' best friend.
During this time, Liberals created a whole new employment arena where applications were not required, qualifications were discounted and hirers always hired the lighted skinned and were encourged to do so. Illegal work is off the books in every way imaginable esp in the area of something as cumbersome as EEO laws. Anyone that challenged the legitimacy were insulted with the viscious taunts imaginable.
I am amazed by the reality of these two work world realities. EEO depends on comprehensive enforcement yet Liberals work absolutely
to hinder enforcement of EEO laws yet insist publicly they do the opposite.
I suggest first group therapy for the Democratic party and the a trip to the confession booth just to be safe. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Liberals Abuse of Blacks with Illegal Immigration |
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| dulouz wrote: |
One of the more maddening things about illegal immigration is the negation of EEO laws and the instistance that the two have no effect on each other.
For decades Liberals honed and crafted a Equal Opportunity juggernaut. They created a legion of courts and laws and regulations and lawyers. They looked Blacks right in the eye and said "Trust me, I am your friend, I will defend you and give you the rights you have been denied".
To wit, and with much celebration EEO chugged along for 40 years. Then, in the early 70's the illegal immigrants from Mexico started arriving. The Liberals were amazed and their skin color and and odd customs. They decided they liked Mexicans better than Black people. Black people were discarded as old toys but Liberals still insisted they were Black peoples' best friend.
During this time, Liberals created a whole new employment arena where applications were not required, qualifications were discounted and hirers always hired the lighted skinned and were encourged to do so. Illegal work is off the books in every way imaginable esp in the area of something as cumbersome as EEO laws. Anyone that challenged the legitimacy were insulted with the viscious taunts imaginable.
I am amazed by the reality of these two work world realities. EEO depends on comprehensive enforcement yet Liberals work absolutely
to hinder enforcement of EEO laws yet insist publicly they do the opposite.
I suggest first group therapy for the Democratic party and the a trip to the confession booth just to be safe. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like a copy and paste job. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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still waiting for sources and other info to back up your BS on that poor vs. rich thread.  |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, we work harder than the blacks. Fuhgedaboudit! |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Nice name calling. Could you try to put a little more effort into your reply instead of the knee jerk reaction? Try to be more clever next time.
Seriously, where's OP's proof? It's hard to believe as is, but even harder without any evidence. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Even though businesses are supposed to be my philosophy-mate, i get wickedly angry at them.
From the NY Times
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In Louisiana, Worker Influx Causes Ill Will
By LESLIE EATON
Published: November 4, 2005
GOOD HOPE, La. - Near this speck on the map southwest of New Orleans, where an oil refinery spouts flames into the sky and alligators are said to lurk in the green canals, sits something that is causing consternation across Louisiana: a camp for out-of-state workers cleaning up after the flood.
The camp, operated by a New York company called LVI Services, is not much to look at: a row of tractor-trailers crammed with bunks, a long line of portable toilets, a couple of R.V.'s and three tents with striped roofs. Gun-packing guards wear black T-shirts reading, "Police."
José L. Garcia, right, and fellow workers originally from the Mexican state of Michoacán get $10 for every refrigerator they throw out.
Mexican laborers from North Carolina camped out in City Park in New Orleans during a break from removing debris left by Hurricane Katrina.
It is a temporary home for hundreds of LVI's workers, some of whom said they were in the United States illegally. They are commuting into New Orleans, swabbing the mold off walls, ripping the guts out of buildings, removing mountains of soggy debris.
And they are stirring up resentment. Louisianians, from high-level public officials to low-wage workers, have begun to complain about the influx of outsiders they perceive as having come to profit off their pain.
"People from other states, we appreciate their help," said Aubrey D. Cheatham, a union electrician from New Orleans who believes he lost a job to lower-paid workers from outside Louisiana. "But everybody else is getting work, not us."
Workers from all over have been pouring into Louisiana, some bused in by contracting companies, others simply turning up on their own in search of jobs. While nobody seems to know how many are here, there is plenty of work; the federal government estimates it will spend more than $450 million just to clean up hurricane debris.
And as that work continues, Louisianians are casting unhappy eyes on everyone from the giant construction companies that won federal contracts to the small-town builders driving big pickup trucks with out-of-state license plates.
Much of the overt hostility is focused on the army of Latino workers who appear to be doing much of the dirtiest cleanup work, often in the employ of those big companies, and often for less money that local workers might insist on.
State officials have expressed concerns, with Senator Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana, calling on Oct. 24 for an investigation of federal contractors, whom she said were hiring "low-wage undocumented workers." And in Kenner, just west of New Orleans, the City Council has passed an emergency ordinance to try to regulate workers' trailers and tents that have mushroomed all over the city.
"We're trying to be as considerate and compassionate as we can be to our out-of-town guests, but we need to preserve the quality of life for our residents as well," said Philip J. Ramon, chief of staff for Kenner's mayor.
Employers point out that they are not required to investigate the authenticity of employees' documents. And as for bringing in workers, some say they have no choice.
"People in the area of impact are disjointed, disoriented," said Burton T. Fried, president of LVI Services.
But in places where LVI will be working for a while, it tries to make a transition to local workers, Mr. Fried said. "The purpose is, forgetting morality, that we don't have to pay per diems, food service, transportation," he said.
The focus on Hispanic immigrants worries people like Representative Nydia M. Velázquez of New York, the ranking Democrat on the House Small Business Committee.
"I am afraid the anger and frustration of hurricane victims is going to be turned against undocumented workers, who are being taken advantage of," Ms. Velázquez said.
Louisiana has only a small Spanish-speaking population, which is concentrated in and around Kenner. New Orleans itself is 3.1 percent Hispanic, according to the latest census, and the state as a whole is just 2.4 percent, far less than the national average of 12.5 percent. Therefore many of the newcomers stand out.
The worker encampments are also not hard to spot: next to a cemetery on Airline Highway in Metairie, around the side of a Winn-Dixie supermarket on Williams Boulevard in Kenner, on the campus of Delgado Community College in New Orleans.
There are less formal living arrangements, too. On the west side of City Park, in the north part of New Orleans, campers are parked next to forklifts, tents have sprouted next to dump trucks and hammocks are slung next to front-end loaders. Judging by the license plates on the trucks, many of the inhabitants appear to be from nearby states...
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
Even though businesses are supposed to be my philosophy-mate, i get wickedly angry at them.
From the NY Times |
Too bad you didn't quote the entire article. Then, you would have had to highlight this section of it. It's quite a gem.
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Then, abruptly in their view, the subcontractor, BE&K, fired Mr. Cheatham and his fellow union electricians. The electricians, who make about $22 an hour plus benefits, said they believed that their jobs were taken by lower-paid, illegal workers.
Their boss, Albert Knight of Knight Enterprises in Lacombe, La., complained to Senate Democrats, who demanded an investigation. And, in fact, federal officials have since found more than two dozen illegal workers at the base, although only two worked for BE&K, which says it did not replace the electricians with lower-paid workers.
According to an August report by the Government Accountability Office, enforcement of workplace laws has become a low priority for federal immigration authorities, which fined only three companies for improper hiring in the 2004 fiscal year, down from 417 in the 1999 fiscal year. Arrests have also plummeted. |
Now I have some questions for you. Which party controls the federal executive branch in the U.S. right now? That is, the branch in charge of prosecuting and fining businesses that hire workers illegally? Is it the Democrats, Republican or an independent? And a bonus question would be, what year did they regain control of the executive branch? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:15 am Post subject: |
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I didn't quote the entire article due to its length. I did not try to hide anything.
It wouldn't matter who has the government. The sides on this issue are interesting. I work against Liberals who call me mean and I work against business who keep a low profile and communicate with suitcases full of cash. The Liberals are easier to find. Part of their shpeal is being public. I can find them and berate them but the businesses are much more stealth.
Liberals also advocate for welfare benfits for these people. The businesses appreciate that because it gets them off the hook for providing for them. Most Republicans would insist that illegal immigration should be stopped and that the invaders should be sent home. Our problem is lack of bribe money and reluctance to use more forceful methods of persuasion.
Taking on people in your own party is really awkward. It has some angles on it that people aren't use to adressing. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Our problem is lack of bribe money and reluctance to use more forceful methods of persuasion. |
Hey! Being a sissy isn't an excuse. You don't have money? Tough. Welcome to the working-class. You expect us, the liberals, to fight for you, because you're too much of a coward to do it yourself. Sorry, I don't believe in political welfare. Grow some balls or get out of the fucking way. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| You expect us, the liberals, to fight for you, |
Huh? Huh? No, never. I never expect you to fight for me because you wouldn't do it. Liberals fight illegal immigration by granting amnesty. I don't believe in amnesty so I wouldn't ask for help. |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| Huh? Huh? No, never. I never expect you to fight for me because you wouldn't do it. Liberals fight illegal immigration by granting amnesty. I don't believe in amnesty so I wouldn't ask for help. |
No, we fight through prosecutions and fines. The source you cited shows this. 417 fines in 1999. 3 in 2004. We're 13,900% more effective at fighting illegal immigration through legal action against employers than the Republicans.
Why are Republicans afraid to fine or prosecute? Why are you guys such sissies? You said it yourself, "reluctance to use more forceful methods of persuasion." We're not reluctant. Like I said before: grow some balls and stop trying to get us to fight for you. I'm tired of hearing you whine about it. We've done it, why can't you? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| 417 fines in 1999. |
I like that 14,000% number but there are 10 million plus illegals in the country. Thats a .00004 success rate. I think you'll cry if we turn off the healthcare, free education, sanctuary cities and bilingual education funds.
If your numbers are correct then I thank and congratulate you on the work the Dem's have done. A mere drop but far more solid that what we have done. Good job.
I read on a website that a good strategy against illegal employers that make food is to call a radio station near the fctory and say that some of their food that has been distributed to local supermarkets has been poisoned as a protest. This would likely result in the business pulling all of its food of the shelves. What do you think about that? |
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Doutdes
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| I like that 14,000% number but there are 10 million plus illegals in the country. Thats a .00004 success rate. |
You're comparing apples and oranges, business fines and deportations. You'll have to research actual deportations or arrests of illegal immigrants to figure out who is more effective. I'm not going to do it for you either. I don't believe in welfare research either.
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| I read on a website that a good strategy against illegal employers that make food is to call a radio station near the fctory and say that some of their food that has been distributed to local supermarkets has been poisoned as a protest. This would likely result in the business pulling all of its food of the shelves. What do you think about that? |
Don't try to change the subject. We're still talking about why Republicans are sissies. Why can't they seem to prosecute businesses? I'm a Democrat; I'm biased. I can't honestly say why Republicans are pansies? That's why I'm asking you. You're a Republican. Why do Republicans have a "reluctance to use more forceful methods of persuasion?" I don't think you're a sissy like the other Republicans. I don't think you're afraid to be honest and forthright about the problems of your own party. So why are so many other Republicans sissies? Three fines, compared to 417. Why? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Another point brought up by Dulouz
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| Liberals fight illegal immigration by granting amnesty. |
I might be wrong, but didn't Bush talk about giving or give amnesty to illegal immigrants? |
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